Patriot-Panther Call Correct?

[Guiness]

I don't argue when I'm correct Guiness.

I've always tried to be 'the teacher'.

teacher, eh? Mmmm, hot for teacher. Korean style



Ya, my mind wanders. It's like a Beavis and Butthead clip at times.

[MadScientist]

I see that it's close to what you see yet Gronkowski trys to plant his feet just prior to Panther S Robert Lester crossing his sight of line of the balls trajectory. Gronkowski cannot do that with Luke Kuechly all over him and moving Gronk away from the balls flight. As you observed Luke Kuechly almost falls down Gronks body and that's because Gronk is doing his very best to get set and back to the ball.
GO PACK GO !

I can see the attempt to set his feet after looking for it closely, although in real time, it just looks like his momentum takes him out of the play. I don't fault the refs for seeing it they way they did. Even with being able to set, Gronk would be behind the saftey and even without the safety and without the contact Gronk still has to stop and fully change his momentum and get back to the ball. Maybe possible, but not a sure thing. Taken as a whole, its a borderline call that you can justify either way.

The refs are very hesitant to make a last-second game-changing judgment call against the home team. It shouldn't be the case, but the refs are people not robots.

[woodbuck27]

I can see the attempt to set his feet after looking for it closely, although in real time, it just looks like his momentum takes him out of the play. I don't fault the refs for seeing it they way they did. Even with being able to set, Gronk would be behind the saftey and even without the safety and without the contact Gronk still has to stop and fully change his momentum and get back to the ball. Maybe possible, but not a sure thing. Taken as a whole, its a borderline call that you can justify either way.

The refs are very hesitant to make a last-second game-changing judgment call against the home team. It shouldn't be the case, but the refs are people not robots.

A nice position.

[woodbuck27]

teacher, eh? Mmmm, hot for teacher. Korean style



Ya, my mind wanders. It's like a Beavis and Butthead clip at times.

I revised my original 'that post'.

I'm such a softy.

Ohh dear...memo to self.... Did I step into something?

[pbmax]

Look again pbmax.

I see that it's close to what you see yet Gronkowski trys to plant his feet just prior to Panther S Robert Lester crossing his sight of line of the balls trajectory. Gronkowski cannot do that with Luke Kuechly all over him and moving Gronk away from the balls flight. As you observed Luke Kuechly almost falls down Gronks body and that's because Gronk is doing his very best to get set and back to the ball.

It may be that the safety has not yet crossed into his line of sight to the ball. But that is largely immaterial to my point.

The safety is unimpeded (legally or otherwise) in his path to the ball and is a good yard or perhaps more in FRONT of Gronkowski. Gronk cannot beat him to the ball even without Kuechly there. The safety breaks on the ball first AND is closer.

As for calling PI after that I can buy it IF uncatchable does not include the chance that the safety misplays the ball OR Gronk can somehow defeat Kuechly and interfere with the INT attempt.

[woodbuck27]

It may be that the safety has not yet crossed into his line of sight to the ball. But that is largely immaterial to my point.

The safety is unimpeded (legally or otherwise) in his path to the ball and is a good yard or perhaps more in FRONT of Gronkowski. Gronk cannot beat him to the ball even without Kuechly there. The safety breaks on the ball first AND is closer.

As for calling PI after that I can buy it IF uncatchable does not include the chance that the safety misplays the ball OR Gronk can somehow defeat Kuechly and interfere with the INT attempt.

Of all posters here why are you missing this pbmax?

I'll try again. My last try. As I stated in a prior post or posts there is a bigger story here RE: Officiating in the NFL and that being placed in question in regards to being more competent.

I just watched Charles Woodson on NFL.Com declare that the officials blew this call on MNF. That absolutely the penalty should have been held up and the Pat's given one more strike at a TD. Charles Woodson was sure of his claim. This coming from an AFC player or an Oakland Raider calling it for the Patriots.

pbmax... the thing you seem to be missing is when exactly Luke Kuechly makes initial contact with Gronkowski.

If you find the best video to determine that using a play- pause - play- pause analysing technique.... I believe you'll see my position pbmax. You'll see clearly that when that contact is made the ball is outside of the end zone, and clearly that the Safety, NO. 38 Robert Lester is blocked out of the play for any interception and that Robert Lester is located on the LHS and behind Gronk with Kuechly on the RHS of Gronk and in physical contact with Gronk.

You'll see clearly that contact with Gronk is made clearly in advance of that interception and not after that interception.

PACKERS !

[Bretsky]

Gronk is a sally; that is one of the things I take from this

[Joemailman]

Gronk is a sally; that is one of the things I take from this

Is that better or worse than being a sherry?

[Bossman641]

IMO, technically it should have been pass interference. Gronk making no effort to even appear to fight through Kuechly made it easier for the refs to pick up the flag though.

[Joemailman]

Not all contact, even with the ball in the air, constitutes pass interference. It wasn't until Gronk was near the back of the end zone that PI occurred. I can see where the ref would determine he had no chance to catch the ball. As Brady has admitted, he threw a bad pass. If he gets that pass deeper in the end zone where Gronk is, I doubt they pick up the flag.

[woodbuck27]

It may be that the safety has not yet crossed into his line of sight to the ball. But that is largely immaterial to my point.

The safety is unimpeded (legally or otherwise) in his path to the ball and is a good yard or perhaps more in FRONT of Gronkowski. Gronk cannot beat him to the ball even without Kuechly there. The safety breaks on the ball first AND is closer.

As for calling PI after that I can buy it IF uncatchable does not include the chance that the safety misplays the ball OR Gronk can somehow defeat Kuechly and interfere with the INT attempt.

I believe that we are here:

Agreeing to disagree.

Till the next ' Happy Trails to you ' ..... pbmax.

[pbmax]

Of all posters here why are you missing this pbmax?

I'll try again. My last try. As I stated in a prior post or posts there is a bigger story here RE: Officiating in the NFL and that being placed in question in regards to being more competent.

I just watched Charles Woodson on NFL.Com declare that the officials blew this call on MNF. That absolutely the penalty should have been held up and the Pat's given one more strike at a TD. Charles Woodson was sure of his claim. This coming from an AFC player or an Oakland Raider calling it for the Patriots.

pbmax... the thing you seem to be missing is when exactly Luke Kuechly makes initial contact with Gronkowski.

If you find the best video to determine that using a play- pause - play- pause analysing technique.... I believe you'll see my position pbmax. You'll see clearly that when that contact is made the ball is outside of the end zone, and clearly that the Safety, NO. 38 Robert Lester is blocked out of the play for any interception and that Robert Lester is located on the LHS and behind Gronk with Kuechly on the RHS of Gronk and in physical contact with Gronk.

Kuechly cannot stop Gronk from planting his feet. He can push him, bump him, check him. But he can't, from his position, stop Gronk from planting his feet. And Gronk doesn't plant his feet until the safety is already going by him. So Kuechly's actions don't prevent Gronk's change of direction UNTIL he is in an inferior position. Even with no defender, Gronk cannot stop on a dime and restart forward as fast as the safety can break on the ball.

As for Woodson, I can see his point. This type of play, an INT where there may be interference behind it, has happened before and been called PI. Here is the story of one such call AND a story of one such non-call:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/21/belichick-shows-team-2009-play-but-not-2010-play/