TED THOMPSON---WORTHY OF CRITICISM ???????????????????????????

[Bretsky]

I'm torn on this one; every coach, including MM, seems to be getting shredded in here.

Yet in general Ted Thompson seems devoid of criticism by nearly everybody

We have not won in five games since AROD was injured. Even the sometimes negative Nancy Bob McGinn thought Ted had built the Packers go go at least .500 without AROD.

But we are winless, and I'm pondering if it's time to begin breaking down, and critiquing, some of the drafts in full and he personneel moves, some good in signing out own and some perhaps bad in overpaying our own......

Just wondering..........is he still on his pass as the Genius GM or does he deserve some spat thrown at him like the coaching staff ???

[Bretsky]

I SHIT YOU NOT............I posted this thread before seeing this article.......however.......an artilce for JSONLINE that adds to the thread

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/blame-ted-thompson-packers-gms-failure-to-acquire-quality-backup-qb-is-biggest-reason-for-lost-sea-b-234332641.html

[Joemailman]

Thompson missed on the backup QB situation. He's said so himself. He's deserving of criticism now and then. Who isn't?

[Bretsky]

Thompson missed on the backup QB situation. He's said so himself. He's deserving of criticism now and then. Who isn't?

IN CONTRAST to draft and develop...draft and develop...draft and develop....many have noted other strategies do work as well...aka....when the Saints won the SB

Even Recently Consider

John Schneider....a TT disciple....takes over a 5-11 squad and is in the process of building a powerhouse...some of his moves

Schneider has traded for running back Marshawn Lynch, defensive end Chris Clemons and wideout Percy Harvin. Schneider signed notable free agents such as defensive end Cliff Avril and cornerback Brandon Browner. And hit HR's wit Rusell Wilson and Earl Thomas in the draft


JOHN DORSEY--Takes over a 2-14 Seattle Team....serves two decades in GB's scouting dept......Some of his moves......

Trade for a QB, dabbles in free agency, and hits in bit in draft year one. Only 23 players are on the roster that were on it last year. They are 9-3

The Chiefs are 9-3

[Bretsky]

Thompson missed on the backup QB situation. He's said so himself. He's deserving of criticism now and then. Who isn't?

This is too easy though..........there is plenty more to question.........

[woodbuck27]

All that article does is try to ensure that if there is one Packer fan alive that wasn't aware of the vulnerability we were in at backup QB for the past two seasons.

He/she is certainly aware upon reading it...now.

My question is:

When and how is Ted Thompson going to remove that problem? The Green Bay Packers deserve a real solution.

Matt Flynn doesn't look like the correct response given the state of his arm. Something seems wrong there.

Scott Tolzien might be a project.

The 2014 season will be upon us again in 'only 8 months time' before TC.

Will Ted Thompson procrastinate on this important issue that's squarely a burden he must remove from his lap?

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

This is too easy though..........there is plenty more to question.........

Are you strong enough for this objective examination?

[Harlan Huckleby]

It is so hard to predict. Most of the expert pundits thought Packers were set with Seneca Wallace. The dream backup for many sports journalists was Matt Flynn.

That article suggests TT should have spent some money on Matt Hasselback. I don't recall those suggestions last spring, I could be wrong.

Mark Tauscher, and so many other experts, said "Don't worry about the backup QB, it's not important, season is lost anyway if Rodgers goes down." I thought that was a dumb attitude, but it was prevalent.

What is the point of listening to opinions from people who were completely wrong themselves? This is hindsight.

[Tony Oday]

If AR goes down who as a backup would you want?

We need FA help on the online. TT has to see this now that what he has done almost got AR killed.

[Patler]

The real question to ask yourself is this:

Should the Packers have invested $3M+/year in a player who likely would not contribute in any meaningful way?

I don't know the answer to that question, and I don't even know how I would have felt about it last off-season. Looking at it now, with the prospect of AR missing possibly half the season, its easy to say "yes", especially when another win or two would make a huge difference in playoff prospects for Rodgers' return.

However, I think the current situation is quite unusual. More typically, you expect your starting QB to miss a game or two, or miss the season if he is injured. Your plan is that he plays every meaningful snap that there is, and quite often that happens. Your plan is that the backup QB makes no contribution at all. That can not be said for any other player on the roster, because others you at least expect to contribute on special teams.

The reality is that there are not enough good QBs around to even fill all of the starting positions. If you are faced with the prospect of your starter missing a lot of games, the best you can hope for is to manage the offense and win because of players other than your QB.

All of that being said, I think last off-season I would have thought spending $3M+ for a backup QB was an awful waste of cap dollars. I know I thought Seneca Wallace was a good signing. A guy who had a lot of experience in the NFL. He had shortcomings, of course, but they were not in his prep or decision making. I thought he would do fine when paired with what I expected to be a vastly improved running game and a very much improved defense. Unfortunately, only one of those has proven to be true, and even more unfortunately we never got to see how Wallace would have handled extensive playing time.

[woodbuck27]

It is so hard to predict. Most of the expert pundits thought Packers were set with Seneca Wallace. The dream backup for many sports journalists was Matt Flynn.

That article suggests TT should have spent some money on Matt Hasselback. I don't recall those suggestions last spring, I could be wrong.

Mark Tauscher, and so many other experts, said "Don't worry about the backup QB, it's not important, season is lost anyway if Rodgers goes down." I thought that was a dumb attitude, but it was prevalent.

What is the point of listening to opinions from people who were completely wrong themselves? This is hindsight.

"...Mark Tauscher, and so many other experts, said "Don't worry about the backup QB, it's not important, season is lost anyway if Rodgers goes down." ..." HH

My first response:

You've got to be kidding me. Dear Lord that's so fricken dumb.

Now:

Mark Tausher may very well be spot on correct. You have to explore a persons comments more deeply sometimes.

PACKERS !

[Patler]

I SHIT YOU NOT............I posted this thread before seeing this article.......however.......an artilce for JSONLINE that adds to the thread

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...234332641.html

Of course, he is not really complaining that GB failed to have a backup, he really is complaining that they failed to have a 3rd string QB, and that when faced with the need to find a 4th QB mid-season, they didn't come up with one he approved of, and decided to go with the guy who should have been more familiar with the GB offense than any other FA available.

It's easy to complain about Flynn after the Detroit game. Why weren't Dunne and others pointing out the foolishness of signing him after the Viking game???

[woodbuck27]

If AR goes down who as a backup would you want?

We need FA help on the online. TT has to see this now that what he has done almost got AR killed.

Yes the chicken before the egg? ... argument.

It's so obvious now.

Obvious that the outstanding play of Aaron Rodgers. Described by many NFL experts as the best football player in the NFL.

Coveres up so much that isn't in Ted Thompson and his hire for HC Mike McCarthy and it all rolls downhill from there. These two men that are so adulated by some Packer fans are far from the NFL people that the Packer Organization and Packer fans deserve.

What will change?

Nothing !

For another two three seasons we'll remain on watch and simply have to remain patient and control our frustrations as they may arise.

We are stuck with Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

[woodbuck27]

The real question to ask yourself is this:

Should the Packers have invested $3M+/year in a player who likely would not contribute in any meaningful way?

I don't know the answer to that question, and I don't even know how I would have felt about it last off-season. Looking at it now, with the prospect of AR missing possibly half the season, its easy to say "yes", especially when another win or two would make a huge difference in playoff prospects for Rodgers' return.

However, I think the current situation is quite unusual. More typically, you expect your starting QB to miss a game or two, or miss the season if he is injured. Your plan is that he plays every meaningful snap that there is, and quite often that happens. Your plan is that the backup QB makes no contribution at all. That can not be said for any other player on the roster, because others you at least expect to contribute on special teams.

The reality is that there are not enough good QBs around to even fill all of the starting positions. If you are faced with the prospect of your starter missing a lot of games, the best you can hope for is to manage the offense and win because of players other than your QB.

All of that being said, I think last off-season I would have thought spending $3M+ for a backup QB was an awful waste of cap dollars. I know I thought Seneca Wallace was a good signing. A guy who had a lot of experience in the NFL. He had shortcomings, of course, but they were not in his prep or decision making. I thought he would do fine when paired with what I expected to be a vastly improved running game and a very much improved defense. Unfortunately, only one of those has proven to be true, and even more unfortunately we never got to see how Wallace would have handled extensive playing time.

Wow could I ever rip into that post. I'll simply do this:

Patler Please ... Meditate on this question:

What must a backup QB be on a competitive NFL team?

I'll start here.

He 'must be capable of'... taking over and guiding his teams offense to WINS when called upon to play.

PACKERS !

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Yes the chicken before the egg? ... argument.

It's so obvious now.

Obvious that the outstanding play of Aaron Rodgers. Described by many NFL experts as the best football player in the NFL.

Coveres up so much that isn't in Ted Thompson and his hire for HC Mike McCarthy and it all rolls downhill from there. These two men that are so adulated by some Packer fans are far from the NFL people that the Packer Organization and Packer fans deserve.

What will change?

Nothing !

For another two three seasons we'll remain on watch and simply have to remain patient and control our frustrations as they may arise.

We are stuck with Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

God, I hope not. I'm too old to live thru the 80's again. Who has the power to control/fire/direct MM and TT? Maybe we should be writing letters to this guy/girl or sometin...