Mike Mccarthy is the gretest coach ever

[Bossman641]

Really !

based on all you know about Seneca Wallace and his NFL experience>

Would you say he was an excellent candidate to be the Packers backup?

If so...Why?

Wallace and Flynn were exactly the type of guys most fans wanted, Flynn especially.

[woodbuck27]

Hi WB, could you please let me know who these backups are? Just curious

Hi Bossman...Good Luck in the Pro Pickem this week. There are some very interesting matchups to analyze. Some solid game to watch.

Green Bay and the backup QB:

Those backups had to be drafted by TT and developed within the Packers system.

When it became obvious tom TT that we were in a hole at backup QB he also could have brought this fella that he was certainly familiar with in for our side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hasselbeck

Where is that fella now? Did that fella ever express an interest in returning to the Green Bay Packers?

Now you know.

[woodbuck27]

Wallace and Flynn were exactly the type of guys most fans wanted, Flynn especially.

I wasn't in that camp (of Packer fans) anytime before AR went down this season. Nor was I in that camp all last off season or the one prior to that.


I've as a Packer fan and for two years now, been concerned over the backup QB position and for obvious reasons.

Maybe? ... this is an accurate parody and MM to TT and backup QB:

This guy!? Why? Why Ted Thompson? MM >>> TT ...Why Ted? Why Graham Harrell? You've got to be kidding me Ted!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Harrell#New_York_Jets

Why that guy and any NFL team!? It simply isn't going to happen and last.

Why this fella Ted? In the 7th Round and 34 selection >>> B. J. Coleman Quarterback Tennessee-Chattanooga?

Is that the best you could do Ted? MM

[Pugger]

I don't understand how people can blame the Packers' record on the backup QB's, given the talent, or lack thereof, at that spot across the league.

You don't get a Matthew Stafford backing up Aaron Rodgers, or even a Jay Cutler. You get second stringers who haven't run the offense much until the number one guy gets hurt. That's what you get.

There might be three teams with backups that could come in and run the offense effectively in the blink of an eye. I'd say they are Chicago's McNown and Detroit's Hill. There might be one or two others with whom I am not familiar, but that's about it.

You're going to get some really mediocre play from about 28 of the 32 backups in the league. Some are veteran clip board holders (like Seneca Wallace), some are greenhorns whom the team hopes to develop (and those guys are not number one picks; they're the third to seventh rounders, generally).

And finding a very good backup who is willing to come in and be the backup - well, that's rare, too.

I'm telling you all, the backup QB play has not been good, but it wouldn't be for the vast majority of NFL teams.

The problems with this lousy skid have to do with the defense and with special teams. You play some tough, smart defense, and ditto for special teams play, and the Packers would've had a couple victories instead of being basically 0-4-1 since Rodgers was out. A team that had gone 2-3 in that stretch would be sitting at 7-5 and right there with the Loins.

If the defense that showed up for that brief two game stretch against Minny and Cleveland had shown up these past five games, and had Shawn Slocum's special teams not kept their heads firmly up their butts, this team would have a fighting chance.

It's not the backup. Sure, if the Packers had a top notch backup, it might be different. But we'll never know if Seneca Wallace coulda been that guy, and the guys after him weren't ever going to be top notch backups, given they were the third and fourth choices.

That's just it. We are trying to tread water with a 4th/3rd string QB who couldn't secure a backup role in Oakland or Buffalo for crying out loud. And Woody, yes MM and TT failed with our backup QB situation but as Fritz said we'll never know if Wallace could have won a couple of these games while Rodgers' collarbone healed. We truly got snake bit this year. I'd love to know what other team out there is gonna be successful utilizing a QB situation like we find ourselves in. It really is a damn shame how this season unfolded.

[woodbuck27]

That's just it. We are trying to tread water with a 4th/3rd string QB who couldn't secure a backup role in Oakland or Buffalo for crying out loud. And Woody, yes MM and TT failed with our backup QB situation but as Fritz said we'll never know if Wallace could have won a couple of these games while Rodgers' collarbone healed. We truly got snake bit this year. I'd love to know what other team out there is gonna be successful utilizing a QB situation like we find ourselves in. It really is a damn shame how this season unfolded.

This is just the sort of position where all I can do is.................

Well yes.

[Pugger]

Hi Bossman...Good Luck in the Pro Pickem this week. There are some very interesting matchups to analyze. Some solid game to watch.

Green Bay and the backup QB:

Those backups had to be drafted by TT and developed within the Packers system.

When it became obvious tom TT that we were in a hole at backup QB he also could have brought this fella that he was certainly familiar with in for our side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hasselbeck

Where is that fella now? Did that fella ever express an interest in returning to the Green Bay Packers?

Now you know.

There aren't a lot of Matt Hasselbecks out there.

[channtheman]

This is the thread packer rats deserves, but not the one it needed.

[woodbuck27]

There aren't a lot of Matt Hasselbecks out there.

He was there as:

Matt Hasselbeck and TT is/was very familiar with him.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

We can argue all season, and the offseason, on whether MM is a good coach or not, but one thing is true, you cannot find the NEXT great coach unless you replace the current one...

[pbmax]

He was there as:

Matt Hasselbeck and TT is/was very familiar with him.

3/18/2013: Signed a two-year, $7.25 million contract. The deal included a $3 million signing bonus. Another $750,000 is available through incentives. 2013: $2 million, 2014: $1.75 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent

Who does not get signed next year so they can have Hasselback?

[woodbuck27]

3/18/2013: Signed a two-year, $7.25 million contract. The deal included a $3 million signing bonus. Another $750,000 is available through incentives. 2013: $2 million, 2014: $1.75 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2015: Free Agent

Who does not get signed next year so they can have Hasselback?

Ask TT.

[woodbuck27]

We can argue all season, and the offseason, on whether MM is a good coach or not, but one thing is true, you cannot find the NEXT great coach unless you replace the current one...

That's NOT going to happen after this season.

I see it this way right now:

MM is safe until TT decides to retire os the Packer GM.

Murphy >>>TT >>>MM.

Circle all three of them.

[ThunderDan]

This is the thread packer rats deserves, but not the one it needed.

No shit.

The Packers average 399 ypg on Offense even with the crappy output the last 5 weeks. That's fifth in the NFL. We would be number 2 behind Denver if ARod didn't get hurt. As it is we are 4.1 ypg out of 3rd.

The problem this year has been the collapse of the defense over the last 5 weeks. It may be a chicken and egg type problem. The O is no good so the D is on the field longer. But the D no longer gets 3 and outs even to start the games when they are fresh so the O has horrible field position when the get the ball.

Special teams has been bad other than Mastay who has been excellent.

Tackling on both ST and D has been awful.

[ThunderDan]

We can argue all season, and the offseason, on whether MM is a good coach or not, but one thing is true, you cannot find the NEXT great coach unless you replace the current one...

Unless you replace the current one and you hire the next Forrest Gregg. The coach who was going to bring toughness and discipline to the team and turn it around.

[woodbuck27]

No shit.

The Packers average 399 ypg on Offense even with the crappy output the last 5 weeks. That's fifth in the NFL. We would be number 2 behind Denver if ARod didn't get hurt. As it is we are 4.1 ypg out of 3rd.

The problem this year has been the collapse of the defense over the last 5 weeks. It may be a chicken and egg type problem. The O is no good so the D is on the field longer. But the D no longer gets 3 and outs even to start the games when they are fresh so the O has horrible field position when the get the ball.

Special teams has been bad other than Mastay who has been excellent.

Tackling on both ST and D has been awful.

That's part of the reason why... but it's been showing up before Aaron Rodgers went down

On ST's Mason Crosby is having a much improved season. That's nice.