Were the Packers too quick pulling the trigger on Ross?

[woodbuck27]

in retrospect yes...but he was sucking so no. he'll start sucking for det at some point too.

Nice.... and your sure of that why?

[Fritz]

That's kind of my thinking. He gave no indication of trouble last year until the spotlight was very bright against SF. With the spotlight still bright this year due to added scrutiny because of last year, he looked completely uncomfortable all pre-season, and wouldn't have made the team if anyone had shown any return ability at all. The reinforcement from making the team didn't help his confidence as one would have thought it might. Once he got to Detroit, the pressure was off because he was unknown. But, can you trust him when the lights get bright again? When he eventually makes a mistake, will he crumble?

Maybe I can get close enough to him here in Detroit to pretend I'm a Detroit fan and shout out to him, "Hey, Jeremy, big game tonight, huh fella? Good luck! It's a huge game, huge! I think this one's televised nationally, dude."

[Patler]

What is wrong with you here Patler? It's stuff like this that makes me question is there any sense of goodness in Packer fans . I end that sentence with a period and not a question mark.

I don't want to seem overly harsh here ... rather to make this forum pause >>> think.

TT did what he thought he had to do to trim and or strengthen his roster. He cut Jeremy Ross. That's done and he lives with it. Jeremy Ross certainly lived with that disappointment. It seems to be working out for him now in Detroit.

Now you the Packer fan cannot simply watch this young man's efforts in Detroit and enjoy that as a football fan. No ! You've got to analyze and dissect it all and Jeremy Ross to the point of almost indecency. Why not strip him of his clothes too Patler?

It's crap like this that makes me wonder how a Packer fan can really expect his/her team to go far in the NFL. I'm talking karma here. I'm talking a better 'live and let live' adopted attitude. I'm talking the enjoyment overall that any Packer fan can secure by simply loving the game of football and all that encompasses.

We might agree that Jeremy Ross was lacking confidence in Green Bay. We might assess that he was having some difficulty with his coaching? We don't really know it all. Whatever reason we assess for him now being a Detroit Lion? Do we as Packer fans need to riduicule and predict a downfall for this young man? I believe as Packer fans we might adopt a better way. Simply enjoy the same talent that Ted Thompson believed he saw in Jeremy Ross when he was signed to be a Green Bay Packer?

I believe with that as human beings we gain a win-win.

By the way. Jeremy Ross sure looks good as a ST tackler as well as a kick and punt returner. He has talent as a backup WR as well. This young man has definite athleticism and physical talents. That's what Ted Thompson saw once and we can see the same now as his career continues. Enjoy his talents as a purer football fan.

The alternative >>> simply hate >>> and go on being the fans you need to be. After all one's success is often predicated on another's failure.

GO PACK GO !

You might want to read what I wrote again (and get off your damn high horse ). I made no conclusions about what he will do in the future, I simply relayed the facts of his past and asked questions about what it might mean in the future. It's relevant with respect to the thread topic of the teams rather quick decision to cut him. It's particularly important because the team continues to struggle in the return game, and Ross has gone on to excel in Detroit.

That's kind of my thinking. He gave no indication of trouble last year until the spotlight was very bright against SF. With the spotlight still bright this year due to added scrutiny because of last year, he looked completely uncomfortable all pre-season, and wouldn't have made the team if anyone had shown any return ability at all. The reinforcement from making the team didn't help his confidence as one would have thought it might. Once he got to Detroit, the pressure was off because he was unknown. But, can you trust him when the lights get bright again? When he eventually makes a mistake, will he crumble?

I started the thread because a newspaper article asked the same question as the thread topic. I thought it would be interesting to discuss from the persepective of the team's decision. The most damning substance actually came from a current Packer (I've forgotten which) who was a team mate in college, and flat out said a few weeks ago or so that the guy has confidence issues, and can get very, very down on himself, which then just causes more mistakes. He acknowledged Ross's great skill.

Things went wrong for him in GB. That was clear. When that happens, as I suggested, it is best for the player to get a fresh start somewhere else.

Interesting that knowing Crosby extremely well, they expressed confidence that he would work through his dismal time last year and emerge the better for it. Knowing Ross almost a year, they did not have the same confidence, but released him rather quickly.

A former team mate said he is very insecure. Confidence is a real hurdle for him.
GB did show him some confidence, staying with him after several miscues this season.
He had critical mistakes and was costing games.
Sometimes a guy needs a fresh start. I think Ross was one.

The thread is as much or more about TT's decision as it is about Ross. I certainly do not wish the man ill. But I also do not agonize over his departure for the reasons I wrote.

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[woodbuck27]

You might want to read what I wrote again (and get off your damn high horse ). I made no conclusions about what he will do in the future, I simply relayed the facts of his past and asked questions about what it might mean in the future. It's relevant with respect to the thread topic of the teams rather quick decision to cut him. It's particularly important because the team continues to struggle in the return game, and Ross has gone on to excel in Detroit.





I started the thread because a newspaper article asked the same question as the thread topic. I thought it would be interesting to discuss from the persepective of the team's decision. The most damning substance actually came from a current Packer (I've forgotten which) who was a team mate in college, and flat out said a few weeks ago or so that the guy has confidence issues, and can get very, very down on himself, which then just causes more mistakes. He acknowledged Ross's great skill.

Things went wrong for him in GB. That was clear. When that happens, as I suggested, it is best for the player to get a fresh start somewhere else.

Interesting that knowing Crosby extremely well, they expressed confidence that he would work through his dismal time last year and emerge the better for it. Knowing Ross almost a year, they did not have the same confidence, but released him rather quickly.



The thread is as much or more about TT's decision as it is about Ross. I certainly do not wish the man ill. But I also do not agonize over his departure for the reasons I wrote.

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As I"ve posted in the past. Sometimes I get the wrong read on you. For which I now offer you an apology.

I'm not on any high horse Patler right back to you packer fan. I just see things differently than you maybe? So get off with the condensation and debate with some better sense of class. I expect more (a lot) from you.

Now I can begin.

Patler: I actually heard this on NFL.Com:

That the Lions smartly signed Jeremy Ross off of the Packers PS.... but isn't that an error?

If not or the Lions did sign Ross off our PS the sting can come out of this discussion and we can all moreso feel as I do and 'good luck to Jeremy Ross'.

Did TT actually release Jeremy Ross on Sept. 23, 2013 as reported in the Green Bay Packer transaction report?

I have to help with supper now and will return to repost the rest of above.

Peace Patler.

[Patler]

As I"ve posted in the past. Sometimes I get the wrong read on you. For which I now offer you an apology.

I'm not on any high horse Patler right back to you packer fan. I just see things differently than you maybe? So get off with the condensation and debate with some better sense of class. I expect more (a lot) from you.

Now I can begin.

Patler: I actually heard this on NFL.Com:

That the Lions smartly signed Jeremy Ross off of the Packers PS.... but isn't that an error?

If not or the Lions did sign Ross off our PS the sting can come out of this discussion and we can all moreso feel as I do and 'good luck to Jeremy Ross'.

Did TT actually release Jeremy Ross on Sept. 23, 2013 as reported in the Green Bay Packer transaction report?

I have to help with supper now and will return to repost the rest of above.

Peace Patler.

Just teasing you about the high horse, Woodbuck (note the little winking face after it). Don't take everything I write too seriously.


The Lions signed had signed Ross to their practice squad before signing him to their regular roster. He wasn't on their PS very long.

[Noodle]

Good thread, Patler. I heard some Wisconsin radio guys who cover the team talking about this. They were outraged that national media were saying that the Pack must be kicking themselves for releasing the kid. Their point was the same one being made here -- the poor kid's head was obliterated while in GB, not because of bad coaching, but because of some bad performances. There really didn't seem a way for him to get out of his own self-made doghouse, and it's just hindsight to say the Pack should have kept him.

Don't get me wrong. Slocum should get the can for consistently fielding pathetic coverage and return teams. But I don't blame the guy a bit for letting Ross go.

[MadtownPacker]

Just wait til week 17 when ross fumbles twice in the redzone and we win the division because of it.

He started reading Packerrats after the San Francisco playoff game last year.

Probably critical fumbles and bad decisions to bring the ball out of the end zone. He was afraid of screwing up and getting cut because he had screwed up several times and was on the verge of being cut.

Agreed, by the end of his time here you could see he had no confidence and was simply trying to not screw up. The real question is what caused him to lose confidence.

in retrospect yes...but he was sucking so no. he'll start sucking for det at some point too.

These mangringos have said it all. Fuck ross and the lions, he is just like them, a fuck up waiting to happen when expectations are at their highest.

[MadtownPacker]

Nice.... and your sure of that why?

Because that's his fucking opinion, he had his own thought and doesn't bend over cuz some shit article you posted says differently. Oh maybe the history of big game turnovers by ross helped him form that opinion too.

[KYPack]

Ross's own doctor probably would have advised him to get outta Dodge after that Bengal game.

The kid was so screwed up mentally, he couldn't do shit.

Ya know, he was a halfway decent position player, too. He made a good little catch and ran to the sticks for a first in that game. That play was sandwiched in btw those fugly fumbles.

It is kinda crazy that he doesn't feel pressure and play even worse for the Lions.

I wonder if it was a coach or the situation that untangled the kid's mind.

[woodbuck27]

Just teasing you about the high horse, Woodbuck (note the little winking face after it). Don't take everything I write too seriously.

The Lions signed had signed Ross to their practice squad before signing him to their regular roster. He wasn't on their PS very long.

I'm just checking all out on Jeremy Ross now.

It seems to be right here:

1:00 PM ET, Sunday September 22, 2013 @ Paul Brown Stadium, Cincinnati, OH

The Green Bay Packers are defeated by the Cincinnati Bengals by a score of 34-30.

FIRST QUARTER OF GAME:

TOUCHDOWN ... 09:20 Giovani Bernard 3 Yd Run (Mike Nugent Kick) 0 7

Score: Bengals 7 - Packers 0

M.Nugent kicks 57 yards from CIN 35 to GB 8. J.Ross MUFFS catch, RECOVERED by CIN-T.Mays at GB 2. T.Mays to GB 2 for no gain (J.Franklin).

TOUCHDOWN 09:08 BenJarvus Green-Ellis 2 Yd Run (Mike Nugent Kick) 0 14

Green Bay Fumbles...FUM...LOST...REC

J. Ross.................... 1....... 1....... 0
J. Franklin............... 1....... 1....... 0
B. Jones.................. 0....... 0....... 1
A. Hawk.................. 0....... 0....... 1
M. Jennings............. 0....... 0....... 1

The day after this loss to Cincinnati or Monday Sept. 23, 2013, Jeremy Ross was released by the Green Bay Packers. Jeremy Ross was a FA.

WR Jeremy Ross, who played in eight regular-season games for the Packers over the past two seasons:

**averaged 17.9 yards on nine kickoff returns.

** In 2012 he avg. 28.7 yards on 3 kicks with a long of 44 yards.,

** He averaged an impressive20.5 yds on six punt returns including 4 returns in 2012 with a 25.8 yard avg. and a long of 58 yards.

** In a limited role as a WR Jeremy Ross made one catch for 8 yards.

Jeremy Ross committed a crucial fumble on a punt return in a playoff-game loss to the 49ers on January 12, 2013. That mistake led to a San Francisco touchdown and momentum was taken from the Green Bay Packers.

Prior to his time in Green Bay, he was signed by the New England Patriots (2011) as an undrafted free agent. He was also with the Indianapolis Colts. He played college football at California.

So there's some raw data on Jeremy Ross..... stay tuned.

[woodbuck27]

Because that's his fucking opinion, he had his own thought and doesn't bend over cuz some shit article you posted says differently. Oh maybe the history of big game turnovers by ross helped him form that opinion too.

Mad aren't we now examining this matter of Jeremy Ross and his release? What's a forum for if not for such examination and more of course ? Are we all simply here to slap one another on the back and always blindly agree on all things? I believe that in a forum the members discuss all matters/manners of issues and topics to try to reach some conclusion. To realize a TRUTH.

Am I wrong here Mad?

If it's more than that please inform me Mad. How would you like your forum to work/ to achieve? How can I help you achieve your goals here?

You seem to relish airing things out in public so... OK.

What's with the reference to bending over? Me bend over !? I don't think so man. I've never bent over for any person in my lifetime Mad. I won't start to do that at this time in my life.

What is this 'shit article' that you claim I posted and makes any reference to Jeremy Ross and anything connected to the Green Bay Packers? Anything related to his association with any team but the Detroit Lions? Anything that makes any reference to (even a maybe?) the Green Bay Packers made an error releasing Jeremy Ross?

Please post the LINK for that article. I don't recall posting such an article on Packerrats Mad. If I did enlighten me please. I post a lot here and maybe simply have forgotten.

Mad. Do you post for others here now...have some proxy from gbgary? I posted gbgary that question not you.

Thanks and have a lovely day/evening

[woodbuck27]

You might want to read what I wrote again (and get off your damn high horse ). I made no conclusions about what he will do in the future, I simply relayed the facts of his past and asked questions about what it might mean in the future. It's relevant with respect to the thread topic of the teams rather quick decision to cut him. It's particularly important because the team continues to struggle in the return game, and Ross has gone on to excel in Detroit.





I started the thread because a newspaper article asked the same question as the thread topic. I thought it would be interesting to discuss from the persepective of the team's decision. The most damning substance actually came from a current Packer (I've forgotten which) who was a team mate in college, and flat out said a few weeks ago or so that the guy has confidence issues, and can get very, very down on himself, which then just causes more mistakes. He acknowledged Ross's great skill.

Things went wrong for him in GB. That was clear. When that happens, as I suggested, it is best for the player to get a fresh start somewhere else.

Interesting that knowing Crosby extremely well, they expressed confidence that he would work through his dismal time last year and emerge the better for it. Knowing Ross almost a year, they did not have the same confidence, but released him rather quickly.



The thread is as much or more about TT's decision as it is about Ross. I certainly do not wish the man ill. But I also do not agonize over his departure for the reasons I wrote.

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Patler I was absent really from anything NFL and Packers until really Nov. '13. I'm still trying to catch up on a lot.

I'm examing this question of Jeremy Ross and football player prior to his time in Green Bay and why he was released as best I can.

I asked this question somewhere on a thread in the past. Because of this thread I believe we'll have a much more comprehensive response to why? Jeremy Ross came to become a Detroit Lion.

I'm glad your like me and don't wish bad will on Jeremy Ross.

Later.

[woodbuck27]

Comment woodbuck27:

I'm going to post this article here because it's appropriate on this thread:

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/4734/starter-pack-why-crosby-but-not-ross

Starter Pack: Why (Edit: Mason) Crosby, but not ( Edit: Jeremy) Ross?

Dec. 10, 2013 ... 8:00 AM ET

By: Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com

[Patler]

Comment woodbuck27:

I'm going to post this article here because it's appropriate on this thread:

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/4734/starter-pack-why-crosby-but-not-ross

Starter Pack: Why (Edit: Mason) Crosby, but not ( Edit: Jeremy) Ross?

Dec. 10, 2013 ... 8:00 AM ET

By: Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com

The article doesn't really portray Ross' performance this year in GB. It wasn't just the one muff this season that got him cut. He looked hesitant and unsure during preseason and the regular season games. In addition to the muff and turnover, he had a kickoff return in an earlier game where he hesitated in the endzone, came out late and was tackled inside the 10 yard line. I think he mishandled a couple that went as touchbacks.

His preseason was bad enough that it didn't look like he would make the team, but others including Franklin were even worse as return men. Then, as I recall, Ross had a decent return and a very productive final preseason game as a WR, and made the final 53, but it was almost a surprise at that point.

Last year when Crosby was struggling, all of the coaches talked about how mentally strong Crosby was, that he maintained a strong positive approach even when things went bad. If they had felt the same about Ross, I suspect they would have stuck with him longer. They stuck with Finley and Jones in spite of bad years for drops, Newhouse for two years while he had his problems and with others who never did come around. Ross and McMillian did not get the same latitude to make mistakes.

[woodbuck27]

These mangringos have said it all. Fuck ross and the lions, he is just like them, a fuck up waiting to happen when expectations are at their highest.

Really Mad ... check this:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=330922004

This was a strange game RE: Fumbles. The Packers committed 2 fumbles or one each by Jeremy Ross and Johnathan Franklin that both led to Bengal TD's. The Bengals had five different players fumble once. Seven is the number or total of the fumbles in that game; but somehow Jeremy Ross's muff stood out to the Green Bay Packers!??

Ted Thompson awoke the next day and knew he just had to toss Jeremy Ross. I just don't get that... Mad? Anyone??

Examining it closer:

The Green Bay Packers led that game by a score of 30-14 with 5:30 remaining in the 3rd Quarter.

a) Was Jeremy Ross then so obvious in contributing to that loss because he muffed one in the first quarter?

b) What happened that allowed the Cincinnati Bengals to score '21' unanswered points and pull out that win?

c) What happened that set up the Bengals early 4th Qtr. TD? To close the score to Packers 30 - Bengals 27.

d) What happened that set up the Bengals possession that ended in a TD; giving them the lead they never surrended at Bengals 34 - Packers 27?

Do you recall this happening early in the 4th Qtr? Here it is, specifically:

REF: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?ga...22004&period=4

4th Quarter Play by Play

Green Bay Packers at 0:27 The Packers began an offensive series that led to this result:

" 1st and 10 at CIN 27 (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep right intended for R.Cobb INTERCEPTED by L.Hall at CIN 5. L.Hall to CIN 5 for no gain (R.Cobb)."

The SCORE was then:

Packers 30 - Bengals 21

So what resulted next:

The next Cincy Possession ended thus:

1st and 10 at GB 11 (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass short left to M.Jones for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 30 27

M.Nugent's extra point attempt was Blocked by D.Jones,

SCORE: PACKERS 30 - Bengals 27

and get this:

" M.Nugent kicks 65 yards from CIN 35 to GB 0. Jeremy Ross to GB 21 for 21 yards " Question:

.... Was that bad?

There were many reasons that led to that Packer defeat in Cincy on that day and IMO the blame shouldn't have been cast on Jeremy Ross.

That was... his second fumble as a Packer in four games. RB Johnathan Franklin fumbled and lost the ball to the Bengals and that led to a TD at a crucial stage in the game or late in the 4th Qtr. If you saw it... it's not likely you might easily erase it from your grey matter:

" 4th and 1 at CIN 30 J.Franklin right guard to CIN 30 for no gain (M.Johnson). FUMBLES (M.Johnson), RECOVERED by CIN-R.Nelson at CIN 29. R.Nelson to CIN 35 for 6 yards (A.Quarless). FUMBLES (A.Quarless), recovered by CIN-T.Newman at CIN 42. T.Newman for 58 yards, " TOUCHDOWN.

Now that was a bad mistake and lead to this result against the Green Bay Packers. Bengals 34 - Packers 30 with 3:47 remaining in regulation.

Did the Packers recover... NO !

No ... it was football. In this wild season in the NFL, so many weird to awful things have taken place.

Should Jeremy Ross have been made a scapegoat in any way after this game?

In my most honest opinion... NO way... Hose.


GO PACK GO !