Were the Packers too quick pulling the trigger on Ross?

[Patler]

His time here was a disappointment. His units weren't a tire fire but the improvement wasn't dramatic at all.

Has to be viewed as a condemnation of the personnel at the time.

Considering that Antonio Chattman was his return guy, he probably did about as good as can be expected in the return game. Chattman wasn't what you would call "aggressive" , but was sure-handed, as I recall.

[Guiness]

Considering that Antonio Chattman was his return guy, he probably did about as good as can be expected in the return game. Chattman wasn't what you would call "aggressive" , but was sure-handed, as I recall.

It's cuz he caught with his elbows under his hands

seriously, thanks for that little writeup KY. Good stuff.

[run pMc]

It's cuz he caught with his elbows under his hands

seriously, thanks for that little writeup KY. Good stuff.

Agree -- thanks for the writeup!
I would be shocked if Slocum didn't try to teach Ross fundamentals/mechanics. Really, Ross should have been taught them before going pro...but for all the talk about coaches being good teachers and focusing on fundamentals, this suggests something wrong with Slocum's coaching. Either that, or Ross figured DET was his last shot in the league and started to really focus on fundamentals.

If you go back to last year, Ross was involved in a lot of ST turnovers, and those are killers because you give up the ball AND field position.

[bobblehead]

Ross has good hands, he's a wr. His problem in fielding punts cleanly was in his mechanics. A punt returner has to use a different running style when getting to the catch point. The returner has to glide to the catch point. By gliding, I mean he has to run on the balls of his feet to avoid jarring his eyes with his running style. That will cause you to lose your bead on the ball. Once you get to the catch point, set both your feet under you and catch the ball in your hands. Do not let the ball come into your body. You also should have both elbows under your hands to form a "bottom" on the ball. Keeping your elbows in makes a natural cradle in case you are gonna take a lick. Gather the ball in and do not lunge after it. Lunging will extend your hands and you are far more likely to muff the catch.

Once ya catch it, run like ya run, get your return yards.

Ross at Detroit has been fundamentally sound. Here, he was a stomper and a lunger and it cost him his job.

Good point about not jarring your eyes. Watch a good centerfielder chasing a flyball and notice how his head doesn't move.

[woodbuck27]

I didn't realize Bonamego was in Detroit. He was the Packers ST coordinator for something like 3 years under Sherman, and has a reputation of being very good at it.

Patler:

You got that...and John Bonamego formerly employed with the Packers under Mike Sherman.

I'm as usual...impressed.

John Bonamego:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bonamego

Could we possibly make some connection and that fact that both Bonemego and Jeremy Ross now in Detroit? The forum is here to examine that question and more. We have the membership strength to do so; the technology available for such analysis. Any emotional factor is thereby possibly negated and the speculative stuff can be ignored in terms of attempting to get it right ...now.

A discussion of why? not Green Bay and Jeremy Ross in Detroit is interesting but from such, the focus might shift as I intend to demonstrate in this post.

Here goes:

John Bonemego was with the Green Bay Packers as Special Teams Coordinator (2003–2005). He went out of Green Bay with the Mike Sherman wash. Before he landed in Detroit he bounced around the NFL with stops as ST's Coordinator ...see the LINK above for details.

How is John Bonemego's effort rated on a statistical basis in Green Bay after Green Bay to now with the Detroit Lions:

Green Bay (2003-2005) and Bonemego as ST's Coordinator:

2003 Ranking = 13th Ranked in the NFL (Typ.) ; 2004 = 14th Ranked and 2005 = 30th Ranked. Remember that season?

How did John Bonemego do as a ST coach after that?

2006 = 14th and 2007 = 25th with NO.

2008 = 29th; 2009 = 9th but 2010 = back down to 29th. all with Miami

2011 in a reduced role as an assistant ST's Coach = their ST's was 11th ranked.

2012 = 25th in Jacksonville as the ST's Coordinator

2013 to week 14 ...the 16th ranked NFL team and incidentally the Green Bay Packers ST's is currently ranked 21st in the NFL.

In 2012 the Detroit Lions ST's effort were ranked way down there at # 30. The Green Bay Packers in 2012 @ 18th so the team has slipped 3 slots in terms of it's ST NFL Ranking. We're seeing what's too obvious. Remarkably we see that decline in ST's results this season inspite of improvement of the first order in Mason Crosby's performance kicking FG's where he is near to/or setting a record number in terms of his FG %.

Why we have seen the Green Bay Packers slip in terms of ST's demands further analysis.

Shawn Slocum:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Slocum

Have a look at his history prior to becoming a part of the Green Bay Packer Team as a Coach...ST's. Do you see anything there in terms of why he might have been hired? Why he remains a Green Bay Packer ST coach inspite of a less than steller body of work since coming to Green Bay.

Green Bay Packers:

On February 6, 2006, S. Slocum joined the Green Bay Packers, as the Assist. ST coach and promoted to ST's Coordinator on January 14, 2009

Packers ST's Ranking with Shawn Slocum:

2009 = 32nd LAST in the NFL; >>> 2010 = 26th ...

>>> 2011 = 8th; 2012 <<< 18th; and again and maybe? finally ...

2013 <<< 21st or regressing from the 2012 Season.

Back to individual performances and Micah Hyde Vs Jeremy Ross.

Study the Green Bay Packers performance for punt and kick returns for this season? Compare that to the 2012 and 2011 seasons.

Ross looks like the better choice athletically except for those 2 muffs in a four game span. Muff's that set off a Red Alert Alarm. It's said that ... muffs are a HC killer. How long does a HC stick with any -player that fumbles? Not long for any smart NFL coach. Do that to Bill Bilichick and see an instant Dog House.

What else was going on before Sept. 23, 2013?

The Green Bay Packers has a losing record after three games into the schedule and an early Bye.

To start a season at 1 Win (Washington) - 2 Loss's (San Fran and Cincy) may have to be addressed somehow and especially when you must take time off or run that record into an early Bye Week. The NFL Week 4 for the Packers .... a Bye.

Maybe you want any nagging doubts over a certain roster player to be removed befopre returning from that bye because the schedule ahead is really long in terms of another real rest; another real time to heal? The best way for that and to also kill two birds with one stone... just maybe? ... send some message to the team as a whole...dump someone.

Did we see a similar tactic after the embarrassing loss to the Detroit Lions? See Jeremy Ross's and Jerron McMillian's departures from the team.

This is where discussion arrives even more questions. Questions that may be more valuable to us the Packer fans in response to a question that's not as relevant to the future of the team we love.

GO PACK GO !

[KYPack]

Good point about not jarring your eyes. Watch a good centerfielder chasing a flyball and notice how his head doesn't move.

Run, I'm sure Ross knew his fundamentals in GB. He just wasn't always applying 'em in games and getting burned. What he learned here was if you ain't assignment sure, the team will go find somebody who is.

Bobble, there are a lot of things involved in returning punts. I'll never forget a trick an old coach taught me. Once you have gotten in position with your feet set, you imagine you are trying to catch a bag of oranges that somebody threw you from a second story window. Keep your elbows in place so you don't drop any fruit!

[MadtownPacker]

Mad aren't we now examining this matter of Jeremy Ross and his release? What's a forum for if not for such examination and more of course ? Are we all simply here to slap one another on the back and always blindly agree on all things? I believe that in a forum the members discuss all matters/manners of issues and topics to try to reach some conclusion. To realize a TRUTH.

Am I wrong here Mad?

If it's more than that please inform me Mad. How would you like your forum to work/ to achieve? How can I help you achieve your goals here?

You seem to relish airing things out in public so... OK.

What's with the reference to bending over? Me bend over !? I don't think so man. I've never bent over for any person in my lifetime Mad. I won't start to do that at this time in my life.

What is this 'shit article' that you claim I posted and makes any reference to Jeremy Ross and anything connected to the Green Bay Packers? Anything related to his association with any team but the Detroit Lions? Anything that makes any reference to (even a maybe?) the Green Bay Packers made an error releasing Jeremy Ross?

Please post the LINK for that article. I don't recall posting such an article on Packerrats Mad. If I did enlighten me please. I post a lot here and maybe simply have forgotten.

Mad. Do you post for others here now...have some proxy from gbgary? I posted gbgary that question not you.

Thanks and have a lovely day/evening

Did you really need such a long post to spew this vile? Correct we are here to discuss, but save your bullshit about calling you out because unless I'm mistaken you are questioning Gary for a source so YOU are saying HIS word carries no value unless he provides a LINK. As for proxy I speak for myself and no one else. If you don't like me airing what I say then don't post something I don't like. Unless you expect me to bend over or slap you on the back always? Maybe I will provide you a solution. Bend you over and slap you in the back?

[denverYooper]

The ESPN piece also does not give Crosby's previous production much credit for the difference. Crosby had several years before the bottom fell out that he was everything McCarthy wanted in a kicker. He could kick directionally on KOs, supremely well executed onside kicks (including inventing one specialty double bounce of his own), very good accuracy under 40 yards, etc.

Prior to the catastrophe, his only weakness seemed to be mid-long distance right hash and average performance on 50+ yard FGs.

Ross had no such resume.

Packerpedia @Packerpedia 4m

Mason Crosby's 880 career points to date are the most by any player in league history in his first seven seasons.

[woodbuck27]

Did you really need such a long post to spew this vile? Correct we are here to discuss, but save your bullshit about calling you out because unless I'm mistaken you are questioning Gary for a source so YOU are saying HIS word carries no value unless he provides a LINK. As for proxy I speak for myself and no one else. If you don't like me airing what I say then don't post something I don't like. Unless you expect me to bend over or slap you on the back always? Maybe I will provide you a solution. Bend you over and slap you in the back?

I'll try to help you understand this Mad:

** Did you really need such a long post to spew this vile? Mad

My response: I don't spew vile and I post to at least try to back myself up. Anything else to me may be deemed nonsense or useless. That's just me... my way or position. To each his own, Mad.

** Correct we are here to discuss, Mad

My response: Thanks as always.

but save your bullshit about calling you out because unless I'm mistaken you are questioning Gary for a source so YOU are saying HIS word carries no value unless he provides a LINK. Mad

Here's gbgary's post:

in retrospect yes...but he was sucking so no. he'll start sucking for det at some point too. gbgary

My response to that was:

Nice.... and your sure of that why? woodbuck27

There's nothing covert in my response to gbgary's post. I simply request that gbgary backs himself up. ie Why was he sure that whatever he was condemned for in Green Bay would continue in Detroit?

My Response: Expecting a LINK !? No Mad. I'd be surprized if there's a LINK anywhere on the internet to an article or story to support gbgary's post in terms of it's candor. Candor that I felt was unfair and demonstrated verascity towords a man I doubt he's ever met. A man who no one he knows well has ever met.

As for proxy I speak for myself and no one else. If you don't like me airing what I say then don't post something I don't like. Mad

My response: Post what you like me to post? I try to post with some sense of dignity Mad. If I fail in that regard... as in misunderstanding a member. I generally offer an amend. I don't post to please anyone here Mad. I post here to offer information and learn.


Unless you expect me to bend over or slap you on the back always? Maybe I will provide you a solution. Bend you over and slap you in the back? Mad

My Response: I have never offered anything in my life and expected a slap on the back. I provide my own rewards.

I hope this response assists your understanding of my position and gbgary's post. Later...and have a lovely day/evening Mad.

GO PACK GO !

[CaptainKickass]

Yes.











As in yes, the Packers pulled the trigger and fired Ross too early.

[Bretsky]

I didn't realize Bonamego was in Detroit. He was the Packers ST coordinator for something like 3 years under Sherman, and has a reputation of being very good at it.

Honestly....I never got why he was fired. He was very well thought of as a ST coach for the Jags and he was the only ST coach I ever liked besides Nolan Cromwell
Then they hired a piece of junk, fired him, and promoted the piece of junk's assistant....aka.....Slocum

[woodbuck27]

Yes.

As in yes, the Packers pulled the trigger and fired Ross too early.

Aaron Rodgers on Jeremy Ross:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taMwKsjNmyE

I look at Video like this and say to myself ..What!? This guy was a Green Bay Packer. He was let go for what!? Ohh he muffed a couple of kicks that allowed points to be scored and did that in four consecutive games over a 9 month period across two seasons. Ohh what!? That shattered his psyche. You read the psychiatric report?

Ohh Dear.... that's so sad because looking at it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCLJGTGoDc

I look at his Stat's and take away the fumbles see so much:

Jeremy Ross...Cal Football.

I see this man's abilities demonstrated and I know he was a Green Bay Packer just this season and last:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1880928-lions-jeremy-ross-celebrates-punt-return-for-td-by-making-snow-angels

Time his 98 yard kick return. Fast Eh and that's in the snow. This fella was tined at 4.44 Sec/40 at the scouting combine. He had a 39 " vert. and about a 9' - 7 " Broad Jump. He had 22 Reps of the bench press (225 lbs.) a 4.19 shuttle and 7.20 3-Cone Drill.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66881&draftyear=2011&genpos=wr

This fella was ours and now he's there's and why? Ohh yea... a shattered psyche... I forgot and 'of course' that's really bad.

Can't a decent ST Coach teach a man to catch punts and KO's? He can't teach the rare talent, speed and elusiveness that Jeremy Ross possesses with a ball in his hands. I believe that Jeremy Ross could be very special with the right tutelage and caring.

How many on our present roster when 100% healthy have this mix of multi-talent? Ohh but his head is all a blunder Eh!?

I look at Jeremy Ross in this locker room interview and I see a young man that looks OK in the head to me. I see a man who's together and modest and who spoke well of the future fortunes of his Ex team the Green Bay Packers. I see a classy individual. What do you see?


Posted: Nov 28, 2013 ... Postgame locker room- WR Jeremy Ross on team's 40-10 win over the Packers.

http://www.detroitlions.com/media-center/videos/Postgame-locker-room-Jeremy-Ross/ebd4a52e-b186-4be2-82cd-6e4469237e31

Then I go back over it all and actually see Jeremy Ross celebrate a punt return for 'SIX" and what does he do!? WOW! He actually made a snow angel. Psyche fracture for sure ! I'm so very happy he's no longer with us.

Maybe he was too rugged to be a Green Bay Packer... too athletic awesome ..too in your face ! I mean look at this guy pushing people around. Acting so brash for such a young man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe_Q9UcZpMw

Jeremy Ross 2008 Highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGvPz1Nhfvw

Jeremy Ross 2009 Highlights

Ohh NO. Jeremy Ross might be a rrr.rrr lalala ihhihh... eaae ..gous? Does that matter?

NOTHING MATTERS and JEREMY ROSS and PACKER .... because that's ....gone.

What did you just see? Have you seen leg strength like Jeremy Ross has often? I mean he's strong like an AP Mimi Me. That man refuses to go down. The Lions have him now and that bugs me.

No wait I just can get there somehow.

Did the Green bay Packers make a mistake or release Jeremy Ross too soon. I'm just a Packer fan and it's simply a big 'so what' as to what I think.

Do I think that Jeremy Ross can contribute something special to an NFL team and that's positive?

I sure do.

[QBME]

Good gravy Woody - posting at 2 AM EST will shut this place down!!

[woodbuck27]

Good gravy Woody - posting at 2 AM EST will shut this place down!!

Yea shit no kidding ! Who knew besides you?

I'll never post after 1 AM EST again.

Baby steps.

or...just maybe ...It's the curse of Jeremy Ross.

[KYPack]

I watched the NFL films highlights of Jeremy Ross vs the Eagles last Sunday. This link shows the run part, but not his work in the catch. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ng-snow-angels
Ross kept his head up and eyes on the ball. he caught the ball in his hands with both feet set. He kept both elbows under his hands, in case the ball got thru 'em he had a cradle to protect the football. He made a jab step in the wrong direction, then got his return yards to the left. He took it to the house.

This is something he just wouldn't do in GB. For whatever reasons, he got geeked out, & tried to do too much and muffed kicks and fumbled the ball. When we cut him, I agreed with it. A returner not handling kicks properly will get you beat. Sometimes, it takes getting cut to get a players attention. That seems to be the situation with Ross.