The refs inability to review Williams INT without MM calling timeout...

[pbmax]

I think because it was not initially ruled a turnover, it cannot automatically be reviewed. If they called it an INT - then they would review it.


I watched the replay of the official eyeballing that play and when he came over and showed "Incomplete," I figured TWill bobbled another one. That official was right there and looked like he watched the ball come right in toward Twill. He looked so confident, no hesitancy whatsoever to call it incomplete. What an asshat!

Packers have a knack of getting some pretty bad calls the last couple years.

This is correct and points out the flaw of reviewing ALL scoring plays and turnovers. It misses half the equation.

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it shows why the refs need to error on the side of caution

it needs to be ruled an int, then review it

if there is a fumble and the other team picks it up and is running it the other way, don't blow the play dead because you think he might have been down before he fumbled. if there's any doubt, let the play, play out. then review it

in this case there had to be some doubt from that fat asshole, or else he's completely blind, because he was right there and it was clearly an int

[Cleft Crusty]

The college game has instant replay figured out. The only requirement is to have some sort of Anti-Armstrong type shielding that repels bribes.

[woodbuck27]

it shows why the refs need to error on the side of caution

it needs to be ruled an int, then review it

if there is a fumble and the other team picks it up and is running it the other way, don't blow the play dead because you think he might have been down before he fumbled. if there's any doubt, let the play, play out. then review it

in this case there had to be some doubt from that fat asshole, or else he's completely blind, because he was right there and it was clearly an int

I think that Romo saw it as a pick and 'the official' was closer to that play then Romo.

A funny thing though....the angle is everything.

I saw one angle from the view that maybe MM had. Tramon Williams made 'that' pick ( an amazing pick, given the position of his hands on the ball... the upper most half of the pigskin). I believed I saw that in that case from or closer to the angle that MM had. It seemed to me that in that angle Tramon Williams lunged slightly forward towords the sideline after the ball was in his hands..... and I said to Mae... " he didn't drop that ball did he... Mae "?

I saw the pick clearly (being made) from one angle and shifting the angle by about 90 degrees 'ClockWise in the horizontal plane' ... changed the look completely to create some doubt of it being an interception. That angle played with what I already knew from the other.

You could be foled by the angle. I asked myself then:

What did MM see?

The angle reveals or doesn't. So any play like that has to be seen and reviewed from up top. That has to be done consistently.

It's simply too often too difficult too impossible to see from field level.

[hoosier]

it shows why the refs need to error on the side of caution

it needs to be ruled an int, then review it

if there is a fumble and the other team picks it up and is running it the other way, don't blow the play dead because you think he might have been down before he fumbled. if there's any doubt, let the play, play out. then review it

in this case there had to be some doubt from that fat asshole, or else he's completely blind, because he was right there and it was clearly an int

The problem with your approach is that a fair number of replays turn out to be inconclusive, and if the refs always ruled in favor of the defense whenever there was a doubt you would have way too many turnovers.

[channtheman]

The problem with your approach is that a fair number of replays turn out to be inconclusive, and if the refs always ruled in favor of the defense whenever there was a doubt you would have way too many turnovers.

Not so. The refs blew an INT in our game last night. I don't think on Williams first pick that there was a clear view that showed he had not intercepted the ball. Sure the ball hit the ground, but I had doubt that it moved or he didn't already have possession. That doubt is supposed to mean you leave it what it was called.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The college game has instant replay figured out.

Yes. No team should be penalized for bad calls, all this drama about throwing challenge flags is ridiculous. Let the eye-in-the-sky fix things as the game goes along. It works.

[hoosier]

Not so. The refs blew an INT in our game last night. I don't think on Williams first pick that there was a clear view that showed he had not intercepted the ball. Sure the ball hit the ground, but I had doubt that it moved or he didn't already have possession. That doubt is supposed to mean you leave it what it was called.

From Coleman's perspective Tramon hadn't secured the ball yet when it hit the ground. It seemed to me that the ball clearly moved when it hit the ground, though I'm not so sure about the control question. If he did have and maintain control then Coleman made the wrong call in reversing it, but that doesn't change the point I was making: that you can't instruct officials to rule turnover (or not turnover) 100% of the time when there is any doubt, with the expectation that replay will correct the calls that you invariably miss.

[woodbuck27]

Yes. No team should be penalized for bad calls, all this drama about throwing challenge flags is ridiculous. Let the eye-in-the-sky fix things as the game goes along. It works.

There...

YES.

[Tony Oday]

Can anyone find video on this? I want to watch how the hell that wasnt called an interception on the field.

[TravisWilliams23]

Just tweek the rule to state "all turnovers or POTENTIAL turnovers" will be reviewed by the booth in the final 2 minutes. Even if a team gets a play off before they decide to review, it should be allowed to be looked at and corrected after such review.

[TravisWilliams23]

Can anyone find video on this? I want to watch how the hell that wasnt called an interception on the field.

The referee clearly was mistaken. He should have been interviewed after the game by FOX and let the whole nation see what a fucking moron he was on that call. If players and coaches can be fined for misconduct then these ref's sure as hell should be fined for missing OBVIOUS calls.

[TravisWilliams23]

Can anyone find video on this? I want to watch how the hell that wasnt called an interception on the field.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000298755/Tony-Romo-throws-game-ending-interception

There might be a commercial at the beginning of the clip. If so, just keep watching.

[Packman_26]

I think because it was not initially ruled a turnover, it cannot automatically be reviewed. If they called it an INT - then they would review it.


I watched the replay of the official eyeballing that play and when he came over and showed "Incomplete," I figured TWill bobbled another one. That official was right there and looked like he watched the ball come right in toward Twill. He looked so confident, no hesitancy whatsoever to call it incomplete. What an asshat!

Packers have a knack of getting some pretty bad calls the last couple years.

This is correct and points out the flaw of reviewing ALL scoring plays and turnovers. It misses half the equation.

I think the terminology that we hear is misleading. To my knowledge plays that are scoring plays or turnovers are just selected to be review by the booth rather than a coaches challenge. We often hear that they are "automatically reviewed" but that is not the case. It's nothing more than the same rule as inside 2 minutes but adding additional circumstances. It was inside 2 mins so it didn't matter at all which way it was ruled, the replay comes directly from the booth.
None the less, it was atrocious that it took a timeout from McCarthy to get the play reviewed. How the NFL justifies this terrible system is beyond me. The solution is simple. All plays are reviewed by the booth and coaches are given challenges to use if they believe that the play should be challenged and is not by the booth. It makes zero sense that a play outside of 2 minutes can't be reviewed if you've already used your time outs and its equally ludicrous that McCarthy couldn't simply challenge without penalty when it was apparent that the booth wasn't going to do so.
And don't even get me started on how there is absolutely nothing that can be done on when on 3rd and 5 and an offensive lineman moves and causes the defense to jump offside and what should be a 3rd and 10 becomes 1st and 10 because some clown misses it.

[Cleft Crusty]

The referee clearly was mistaken. He should have been interviewed after the game by FOX and let the whole nation see what a fucking moron he was on that call. If players and coaches can be fined for misconduct then these ref's sure as hell should be fined for missing OBVIOUS calls.

Or maybe just appear on the Referee Pittman show.


Caller: "Do you have dog or cat excrement in your braincase?"
Ref Pittman: "I'm not a physician, but I'm pretty sure there's a brain in there, no excrement"