When did the Green Bay Packers Defense begin it's decline? Specifics and solutions?

[woodbuck27]

2 words sum up your player evaluating skills.

Michael Huff. The sooner you figure out that you know nothing, the sooner you can start learning something.

Zool ... with all respect:

** Can't we try harder to keep the personal feelings towords other posters out of this thread?

Maybe your just having a little fun but can't Rodgers12 ever live that 'Michael Huff' shot down? I'm simply trying to understand you man.

Your a Mod...isn't that ** what a Mod is supposed to do Zool? Maybe that's not the case @ Packerrats. If that's the case ignore this post. I'm about .... POSITIVE.

I'm hoping that this thread will give us a positive response.

A clear focus on what the Packers leadership 'might do' towards greatly improving the Green Bay Packers defense.

I hope all members will jump on board positively in this pursuit.

GO PACK....GO PACK GO !

[Pugger]

Daniels is a good player but he's not J.J. Watt. Imagine Matthrews and Watt on the same defense.

Not sure if this has been discussed previously, but lets talk about what Thompson and McCarthy did not do prior to the season.

They let Woodson walk without a capable replacement. Wood was open to restructuring his contract or taking a paycut.

They did not sign a veteran safety in free agency. There were plenty of seasoned fish in the pond who were/are better options than Jennings and McMillan. Goldson would've cost a lot of Benjamins, but the NFL salary cap can be cooked by any accounting major. Green Bay would've been a good place for Kerry Rhodes to play in and maybe to come out.

Thompson and McCarthy than compounded their failures in free agency by not drafting a safety. Young un, Matt Elam, was available when the Packers took Jones. Jones is playing, what, 10% of the defensive snaps? The universe might balance itself out, but I doubt Elam would've injured Cobb if he was wearing a Packer uniform.

They choose Brad Jones over Bishop. Jones has succeeded Hawk as the worst starting ILB in a 3-4 in the league. Even after the season started, Thompson had a chance to correct his error. Jon Beason was on the trade block.

Thompson did not address depth at the OLB position. It got so bad, an DE started playing OLB.

In sum, the defense lacks playmakers outside of The Claymaker. It is Thompson's job to find playmakers.

Sure, Watt is a wonderful player. Quite possibly the best defensive player in the league. But when you have the success we've had you don't draft high enough to be able to get players like this.

[Pugger]

Yes, Wood is past his prime. Still would've been a better option than Jennings and McMillan. Plenty of other options better than Jennings and McMillan.

What other players were available for us to actually sign or draft - besides maybe Elam - that were better than Jennings? McMillan was so awful he's no longer on the team.

[Cleft Crusty]

I doubt Elam would've injured Cobb if he was wearing a Packer uniform.

You forgot about training camp and family night. Have to have at least one season-ending injury in front of horrified families just trying to have fun on a sweltering August evening.

[Cleft Crusty]

2 words sum up your player evaluating skills.

Michael Huff. The sooner you figure out that you know nothing, the sooner you can start learning something.

I agree with Mr. Tank that Woodson would be a better option than Jeron McMillian. He certainly was last year. That being said, neither really belongs on an NFL roster. Woodson might have served well in the Donald Driver role this year as the senior guy keeping the locker room together, but he wanted to play.

[Cleft Crusty]

The sooner you figure out that you know nothing, the sooner you can start learning something.

that's a nice epigram/tweet. Clefty does puzzle over the internal contradiction however.

[ThunderDan]

The universe might balance itself out, but I doubt Elam would've injured Cobb if he was wearing a Packer uniform.

I think you are on to something here. If only TT had drafted Tashaun Gipson of the CLE Browns we would still have Finley.

I think GM all across the NFL are now going to think of players who might potentially hurt players on their team and draft said player to make sure his team is healthy.

That is so dumb my head hurts.

[pbmax]

I agree with Mr. Tank that Woodson would be a better option than Jeron McMillian. He certainly was last year. That being said, neither really belongs on an NFL roster. Woodson might have served well in the Donald Driver role this year as the senior guy keeping the locker room together, but he wanted to play.

Perhaps, but the cost would still have been prohibitive if you skill set is one step above McMillan-level.

[Cleft Crusty]

Perhaps, but the cost would still have been prohibitive if you skill set is one step above McMillan-level.

Indeed - he would have been a very expensive baby-sitter.

[woodbuck27]

Perhaps, but the cost would still have been prohibitive if you skill set is one step above McMillan-level.

Yes Charles Woodson is still making a good $chunk$ with Oakland:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9299967/charles-woodson-signs-oakland-raiders

:... Woodson's deal is worth a maximum of $4.3 million and includes a $700,000 signing bonus, ESPN's Josina Anderson reported.... "

[Zool]

Zool ... with all respect:

** Can't we try harder to keep the personal feelings towords other posters out of this thread?

Maybe your just having a little fun but can't Rodgers12 ever live that 'Michael Huff' shot down? I'm simply trying to understand you man.

Your a Mod...isn't that ** what a Mod is supposed to do Zool? Maybe that's not the case @ Packerrats. If that's the case ignore this post. I'm about .... POSITIVE.

I'm hoping that this thread will give us a positive response.

A clear focus on what the Packers leadership 'might do' towards greatly improving the Green Bay Packers defense.

I hope all members will jump on board positively in this pursuit.

GO PACK....GO PACK GO !

Woody, Tank is forever a troll. I can either choose to ignore him or not. Today I have chosen not. He's a constant problem for the reasons that many have stated. He fancies himself an expert on all things Mike Sherman and constantly trolls against TT, MM, and Rodgers. I have no interest in welcoming him back to the fold so that he can once again get himself banned for being an asshole.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packersnews.com/article/20131205/PKR01/312050450/

Defense could be playing for Capers' job during season's final month

Dec. 5, 2013 | 14 Comments

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Woody, Tank is forever a troll. I can either choose to ignore him or not. Today I have chosen not. He's a constant problem for the reasons that many have stated. He fancies himself an expert on all things Mike Sherman and constantly trolls against TT, MM, and Rodgers. I have no interest in welcoming him back to the fold so that he can once again get himself banned for being an asshole.

OK...That's your prerogative Zool.

I get there sometimes Packer fan. It's often in the best interests of the forum to take that action.

THE IGNORE OPTION:

Better than this.


Much better than this.

[KYPack]

Nah Woody.

Zool is pissed because Tank jacked the thread.

The thread title is "When did the Green Bay Packers Defense begin it's decline? Specifics and solutions?"

It's not "Tank hates TT".

You want to like , give Tank a chance.

He's banned.

Like Mission says, when yer banned, yer banned

Enforce that ban or it doesn't mean anything.

Woody, the guy you are trying to help is killing you with his bullshit.

[woodbuck27]

If you read below you'll see how this opening connects to the Packers and football.

Maybe there are other Packerrats that share this passion.

I'm a big fan of 'Best Selling' author Michael Connelly. His Homicide Detective character Harry 'Hieronymus' Bosch is my all time favourite fictional character. I recommend the short story 'Switchblade', if you choose to get your feet wet... RE: Discovering Harry Bosch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Bosch

http://www.michaelconnelly.com/

Michael Connelly's fascinating character...Harry Bosch always says that the solution to the investigation is always discovered by carefully reading the 'Murder Book'. That's all gathered information of the specifics of the crime (murder) and all follow-up investigative work. No stones left unturned 'of course'.

Adapting that to the issues with the current Packer defense I offer you this Article written in the early off season for some NFL teams. I'll add this for your consideration. I believe that the secret to a successful future is often discovered by doing a proper inspection of the past.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/571459-dallas-cowboys-2011-defensive-coordinator-options-dom-capers

This article investigates the success of Packers DC Dom Capers and that of his disciples at that time.

Dom Capers disciples:

Vic Fangio ( Currently the DC of San Fran 49ers );

Greg Manusky (Currently the DC of the Indy Colts )

Paul Pasqualoni ( Recently... On Sept. 30, 2013 FIRED! HC of the University of Connecticut football team, )

All of the above promote and have chosen the 3-4 base for their defensive schemes.

Notes:

** Ideally front-seven players in the 3–4 are bigger as they need to defeat blocks more often in the running game.

** There are two major variations of the 3–4 defense related to coverage schemes on passing downs.

Seem simple? It's not simple.

Here's that article from back in early 2011. It's from bleacher Report but it's OK. I scanned it for any weapons and other potential hazards/threats.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/571459-dallas-cowboys-2011-defensive-coordinator-options-dom-capers

Dallas Cowboys 2011 Defensive Coordinator Options: Dom Capers?

By Jonathan Bales (Featured Columnist) on January 13, 2011

Comment woodbuck27:

Obviously that didn't shake down as the author suggested. Dom is still MM's man on 'D'.

I) Is Packer DC Dom Capers the problem? Maybe a communication issue between the DC and his coaching staff?

ii) Is it a case of the players not fitting the scheme ie in terms of talent/size.

iii) Maybe it's a case of not enough strength of leadership in the locker Rm. on the field, in games?

iV) Is it really simply and primarily an injury issue?

What else should we look at?

What I'm reading on this thread so far:

It's a lot on the loss, loss/decline of certain once strong contributors on the 'D' ie Nick Collins and Charles Woodson and did I see mention of losing DE Cullen Jenkins and all that after the end of Season 2010 Super Bowl win.

We will... get it all.

GO PACK ...GO PACKERS GO !