Dear Ted---FREE RODGERS

[Pugger]

If TT is making the call based on the team MD's best medical opinion and it for the Team's best long term interests, I don't have a problem with it.

This is most likely what is going on at 1265 and I don't have a problem with it either.

[Pugger]

IMO he's making the call based on what he thinks is the teams best interests. Not buying into the medical jargon anymore.
They interviewed another team's physician and he noted most players return from this at about 80%; he's there.

I go for the playoffs............but I do see the other side

But if you are going to say that.....let's call a spade a spade and shut him down for the rest of the year right frickin now. And stop using the not cleared to play bullshit

If you think him not being medically cleared is bullshit what would be your guess as to why TT is keeping Rodgers from playing?

[Pugger]

How do you know he is 80%?

And how is it in the team's best interest to hold out Rodgers? I don't buy that Ted is playing to move up 6 slots in the draft.

We also know nothing about what the Doctor thinks. Consider this quote from JSO about a small, hairline fracture:



Two weeks ago he was in pain while practicing. According to that quote, that might mean he has MORE than a hairline fracture since he was at 5 weeks removed from the initial injury. So its clearly more serious than the description of a hairline crack in the article.

The last two weeks he has reported less discomfort in practice which would seem to indicate he has improved. But if its more than a hairline fracture, or if there is edema there, how close is he to completely healed?

The only piece of this that doesn't fit is the original scans. The first indicted something either unknown or undetectable. The second was more certain. The article says this might be a good sign and McCarthy was clearly happier. Did he simply go from not knowing to hearing he would be back this season? Still one week to go before that.

The public has been going on the assumption it was a hairline crack but I don't recall anyone at 1265 say one way or another. The closest thing to an admission of the severity of the injury was Rodgers saying on his weekly radio show the day after The Injury was it was "a significant injury." Most of the speculation of him playing before now has been fueled by tweets from reporters.

[Pugger]

The article I linked to above said the prognosis changed from Sunday to Monday with additional scans. So they might have known early, but not on Game Day.

If they knew 9 weeks, it seems they didn't tell M3 or Rodgers.

I suspect M3 and Rodgers may have been told that but they both hoped he'd heal quicker than that.

[woodbuck27]

This is most likely what is going on at 1265 and I don't have a problem with it either.

Who could have a problem with that.

My problem as a fan is with the quality of the communications.

MM didn't really have a clue about 'the bottom line' and when it was reasonable to expect AR's return.

Posters here have made better predictions on that, then MM armed with whatever he had ...ever could.

It's just that or his attempts at acting covertly made him look bad to shockingly so. Are you aware of the Presser where he tossed into a temper tantrum. MM completely lost it there and that wasn't necessary. Was it a case of too much frustration boiling all around him?

Anyone else see/seeing this stuff?

PACKERS ! GO PACKERS GO !!

[Pugger]

Quite frankly, if there is a risk of permanent damage sit him. Otherwise, play him if the coach and player are in agreement. Love listening to the boneheads on sports talk radio shows calling in saying Brett would have played, etc. IT IS TT AND McKenzie that are holding him out. Just hate this gamesmanship crap. Put him on IR if it's that freaking bad! Otherwise play him.

If there was zero chance of him playing again this season you put him on IR. But because he never was and is now practicing - even in a limited fashion - tells me they hope he plays again this season, even if we have to wait until the playoffs. Let's say they placed him on IR, we get into the playoffs and his collarbone is 100% in 2 weeks but because we put him on IR he can't play. I'm guessing this is what is really going on at 1265. He isn't ready yet but they don't want to risk not having him just in case we find a way to get into the post season.

[Pugger]

Thanks pbmax.

Somehow it seems to me clearly that MM wasn't fully in the loop and any extent of Aaron Rodgers injury. I don't believe that MM had a full heads up there pbmax.

There's over the top evidence to support my position.

This is directed to those of you here that attack anyone and such questioning/criticisms:

I do NOT want to argue this or have to deal with insult/insolence. Keep some composure and post with some manners /respect.

I prefer that we discuss it calmly.

GO PACKERS !

There is no way our HC would be left in the dark about the status of his starting QB's health and well being.

[woodbuck27]

If there was zero chance of him playing again this season you put him on IR. But because he never was and is now practicing - even in a limited fashion - tells me they hope he plays again this season, even if we have to wait until the playoffs. Let's say they placed him on IR, we get into the playoffs and his collarbone is 100% in 2 weeks but because we put him on IR he can't play. I'm guessing this is what is really going on at 1265. He isn't ready yet but they don't want to risk not having him just in case we find a way to get into the post season.

I think their looking at Randall Cobb and Aaron Rodgers and weighing all regards and these two players.

and this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injured_reserve_list#NFL_rules

Starting in 2012, the NFL and the NFLPA reached an agreement allowing one player placed on injured reserve to be brought back to the active roster...cont'd

How do you interpret the above Rule change and Aaron Rodgers status?


GO PACKERS ! ...GO PACK GO !

[George Cumby]

There is no way our HC would be left in the dark about the status of his starting QB's health and well being.

This.

Pugger = The Voice of Reason

[Cleft Crusty]

Starting in 2012, the NFL and the NFLPA reached an agreement allowing one player placed on injured reserve to be brought back to the active roster...cont'd

How do you interpret the above Rule change and Aaron Rodgers status?

I interpret it as you don't know what you're talking about. Read what you wrote, slowly and carefully, and the answer will come to you.

[woodbuck27]

There is no way our HC would be left in the dark about the status of his starting QB's health and well being.

If your correct:

A) Why did MM handle himself badly in press conferences in terms of specific time frame questions and Aaron Rodgers return.

B) Why were we informed that Aaron Rodgers would likely be out three weeks.

C) That became ..week to week in terms of a decision?

D) That then became day to day in terms of a decision?

F) Finally we arrive at this past Thursday Dec. 19, 2013 and MM seems clearly relieved at/with Aaron Rodgers status overall in practise and in the weight room. MM told us that Aaron Rodgers looked good.

Is this how anyone acts that's fully informed?

I say absolutely not.

If you disagree with me why?

I ask you to think about all above and maybe?... just maybe?? you may see it another way.

Maybe NOT !?

[Cleft Crusty]

B) Why were we informed that Aaron Rodgers would likely be out three weeks.

who informed you of this?

[Pugger]

If your correct:

A) Why did MM handle himself badly in press conferences in terms of specific time frame questions and Aaron Rodgers return.

B) Why were we informed that Aaron Rodgers would likely be out three weeks.

C) That became ..week to week in terms of a decision?

D) That then became day to day in terms of a decision?

F) Finally we arrive at this past Thursday Dec. 19, 2013 and MM seems clearly relieved at/with Aaron Rodgers status overall in practise and in the weight room. MM told us that Aaron Rodgers looked good.

Is this how anyone acts that's fully informed?

I say absolutely not.

If you disagree with me why?

I ask you to think about all above and maybe?... just maybe?? you may see it another way.

Maybe NOT !?

When in the hell did anyone at 1265 say Rodgers would be back in 3 weeks???

[woodbuck27]

When in the hell did anyone at 1265 say Rodgers would be back in 3 weeks???

I don't know..ask Mike McCarthy? He's the primary source of the inside information to the media isn't he?

What's your take ?

Where did that first come from... from whom?

It sure didn't come from Packer fans.

Packer fans speculated often with near pessimism over the time that injury would realistically heal. Packer fans are getting used to disappointment in terms of up front communications from as you put it...'1265'.

[ThunderDan]

I think their looking at Randall Cobb and Aaron Rodgers and weighing all regards and these two players.

and this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injured_reserve_list#NFL_rules

Starting in 2012, the NFL and the NFLPA reached an agreement allowing one player placed on injured reserve to be brought back to the active roster...cont'd

How do you interpret the above Rule change and Aaron Rodgers status?


GO PACKERS ! ...GO PACK GO !

Maybe because you can only put one player on the IR designated to return and Cobb was hurt first.

Cobb got hurt against Balt
ARod got hurt against Chi