FOR THOSE WHO HATE CAPERS.....

[bobblehead]

Conversely, you are naive, but intelligent.

My grandfather told me that when someone starts a sentence and the says "but" ignore everything before that...so thank you

[bobblehead]

Your going to claim that the Packer DB's played very well against the Bears tall WR's (Marshall and Jeffrey) and Matt Forte!?

Quite sure we didn't have DB's covering Forte.

[woodbuck27]

Quite sure we didn't have DB's covering Forte.

Sometimes that was too obvious...but it wasn't once he got past the DLmen and burned our LBers.

I checked and Matt Forte had 22 carries and scored 3 TD's.

He was stopped 6-7 times by Packer DB's. Most of those stops were by Tramon Williams. MD Jennings and Sam Shields chipped in.

A DL stopped him another half dozen times and the rest of the stops were picked up by a LB.

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=331229003&period=1

[bobblehead]

Sometimes that was too obvious...but it wasn't once he got past the DLmen and burned our LBers.

I checked and Matt Forte had 22 carries and scored 3 TD's.

He was stopped 6-7 times by Packer DB's. Most of those stops were by Tramon Williams. MD Jennings and Sam Shields chipped in.

A DL stopped him another half dozen times and the rest of the stops were picked up by a LB.

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?ga...29003&period=1

My bad woody. I read it as they had him in coverage, not that they had to tackle him many times. It is true that our LB's tackle so badly that our DB's had to tackle him many times.

[mraynrand]

My comment was a bit out of context in that I intended it in general. The Bears are one of the few teams we've matched up fairly well with over the past few years - for whatever reason. Familiarity more than anything I suppose.

In general, post superbowl, our defense has been a sieve everywhere - especially in 2011 when we set a record for pass defense futility. We were a bit better last year, but certainly nothing to write home about; and then of course the complete blowout embarrassment at the hands of the Niners further exposed Capers.

Earlier this year someone posted a stat which showed that Capers plays more 2-4 nickel than any team in the league. TT went out and invested in the DL; he invested in LB's too, but hit on only 1 (Matthews), Perry never wanted to play LB, and Hawk is "just a guy" - put it all together, and the talent is weighted to the DL. Capers should scheme accordingly, but he doesn't. He sticks to his 2-4 as much as he possibly can... it seems going to a 3 man line is actually a concession for him.

No matter how you slice it, he is not getting results, and hasn't been for quite some time. He needs to go.

I just wanted to correct a point of fact, and the "spouting nonsense" was not directed at you, but at Woody. As someone who spouts nonsense, I can identify it pretty quickly.

Anyway, I think the Packer have pretty decent corners and they play well. They get exposed when the entire secondary is not on the same page, which seems to happen too often. I think some of that results from what you generally comment about, and that is that players are often forced to play away from their strengths - they are 'out of position.' If nothing else, even with these fish out of water (man corners playing zone, DL playing OLB) it would be nice to see one game with everyone assignment-sure, even if they are marginal in that assignment. (For example, it would be nice to have Perry play zone when everyone else is playing zone and not screw the whole defense by playing man).

[ThunderDan]

Are you complaining about Belichick this year? Their D has given up more yards per game than ours! By a yard per game.

Funny how perception blinds the results.

Woody, any answer to this?

[Bretsky]

I think ST play is hurting this year because of injuries to starters. The best thing about ST this year is the resurgence of Crosby.

Our D has had issues keeping contain and tackling for a while. I'm sure the coaches harp on it every day but it isn't sinking in. Will a new voice (DC) make a difference or do we need players who are more disciplined?

When was the last time you thoght the coverage and return units on Special Teams was a strength ? Take the punter and kicker out.
I think we've been poor for way too long now

[Rutnstrut]

Why does this have to be analyzed and over analyzed, bottom line. The defense sucks donkey balls, it has for quite some time, it's Dom's fault. Fire his ass!!!

[Smeefers]

It's strange watching everyone agree and still argue. Well, I might as well jump in as well. I'm fairly confident that our corners are the only highlight of our D as a unit. I'm comfortable with williams, shields, house and hayward. I think they are all talented corners. Any complaints are generally salary driven. I don't expect them to play perfect, but I do expect them to play well and overall, I think they do that - generally speaking. I will admit that INT's are down this year, but I believe that is due to a systemic break down of the defense as a whole, not the players on the field.

I agree that Dom has lost whatever edge he had. For what ever reason, he's not seeing the game like he has in the past. To many mistakes, blown calls and poor personnel groupings along with not playing to our strengths. Be that as it may, focusing on a failed goal line stand as a rallying cry to his downfall is just ridiculous. A goal line stand by a defense is a rarity, not the norm. We lost those stands because we lost our man to man battles. They lined up small and so we matched it. If we would of came out in our goal line defense to stop the run, they would have had an easy pitch and catch over us. Lets face it, the bears did to us what we always do to other teams. They spread us out and took advantage of our weaknesses. Lets not act like a different play call there would of changed anything. Now, if you want to talk about our third down efficiency or our complete lack of communication or our misuse of personnel, then I'm all ears.

Oh, and Hawk has been, by far, our best LB this year. He's played great, he's paid appropriately, its time to put that gripe to bed. When he starts playing like garbage, then by all means call for his head.

[bobblehead]

It's strange watching everyone agree and still argue. Well, I might as well jump in as well. I'm fairly confident that our corners are the only highlight of our D as a unit. I'm comfortable with williams, shields, house and hayward. I think they are all talented corners. Any complaints are generally salary driven. I don't expect them to play perfect, but I do expect them to play well and overall, I think they do that - generally speaking. I will admit that INT's are down this year, but I believe that is due to a systemic break down of the defense as a whole, not the players on the field.

I agree that Dom has lost whatever edge he had. For what ever reason, he's not seeing the game like he has in the past. To many mistakes, blown calls and poor personnel groupings along with not playing to our strengths. Be that as it may, focusing on a failed goal line stand as a rallying cry to his downfall is just ridiculous. A goal line stand by a defense is a rarity, not the norm. We lost those stands because we lost our man to man battles. They lined up small and so we matched it. If we would of came out in our goal line defense to stop the run, they would have had an easy pitch and catch over us. Lets face it, the bears did to us what we always do to other teams. They spread us out and took advantage of our weaknesses. Lets not act like a different play call there would of changed anything. Now, if you want to talk about our third down efficiency or our complete lack of communication or our misuse of personnel, then I'm all ears.

Oh, and Hawk has been, by far, our best LB this year. He's played great, he's paid appropriately, its time to put that gripe to bed. When he starts playing like garbage, then by all means call for his head.

NOt a bad post. Agree with most. Our DL actually hasn't been bad, they just have to play with 2 on the field most of the time.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, any answer to this?

Me complain about Bill Belichick?

If I ever did I was possibly wrong to do so, based on his track record.

Check that out when you can spare time from chasing me around the forum.

[pbmax]

NOt a bad post. Agree with most. Our DL actually hasn't been bad, they just have to play with 2 on the field most of the time.

Don't agree this year. Raji is actually two gapping but he is not making any plays. When he freelances, he has been having the usual problems, though he has cut down on it from the last two years. His doesn't have much shed in him when head up on a Guard and cannot utilize his quickness.

Pickett has been hurt and double teams are moving him. What was at one time a promising run D has collapsed. The 3 man front has not been much better. They still get into way to many 2 and 6 and worse.

Jolly was also wearing down a bit, which had to be expected.

[Bossman641]

Don't agree this year. Raji is actually two gapping but he is not making any plays. When he freelances, he has been having the usual problems, though he has cut down on it from the last two years. His doesn't have much shed in him when head up on a Guard and cannot utilize his quickness.

Pickett has been hurt and double teams are moving him. What was at one time a promising run D has collapsed. The 3 man front has not been much better. They still get into way to many 2 and 6 and worse.

Jolly was also wearing down a bit, which had to be expected.

This

Capers whole defense is based on stopping the run to trot out the exotic stuff on third and long. Teams have been in manageable 2nd and 3rd downs since about week 6 when the run D fell off a cliff.

[Pugger]

What is Raji's problem this year? Even if he's unhappy with his role on the team this is a contract year and one would think he'd be playing lights out for his next big contract but he has been mostly invisible this year. If he won't show any desire now why would anybody think he'd be any better after he gets paid?

[red]

i think we should all be a little worried and pissed off that m3 came out in an interview yesterday and said he "was in love with our defense"

really?

what is there to love about this d? the inability to stop the run? the inability to stop the pass?

concerned would be the nicest way i could describe how i feel about our D

and this shows m3's major flaw, he can't smell the shit from the shit pile, if we get a new d=cord or special teams coach it will only be after TT or mark murphy forces M3 to get rid of them. just like TT had to do with the bob sanders mess