FOR THOSE WHO HATE CAPERS.....

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Silverstein writes about the difference between the Steelers D and the Packers D: Youth

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...238548621.html

so, we're back to it being tt's fault

it is kind of stupid that we've been the youngest team in the nfl for about 7 or 8 years running now

[wist43]

i think we should all be a little worried and pissed off that m3 came out in an interview yesterday and said he "was in love with our defense"

really?

what is there to love about this d? the inability to stop the run? the inability to stop the pass?

concerned would be the nicest way i could describe how i feel about our D

and this shows m3's major flaw, he can't smell the shit from the shit pile, if we get a new d=cord or special teams coach it will only be after TT or mark murphy forces M3 to get rid of them. just like TT had to do with the bob sanders mess

Seriously, I don't think MM gets it... he won't fire Capers, hasn't even crossed his mind.

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Seriously, I don't think MM gets it... he won't fire Capers, hasn't even crossed his mind.

exactly. m3 is too loyal to his coaches

look at slocum, his special teams have been horrible for years, yet the clown still has a job

and, since i think its related. our last head coach, who a lot of packer fans didn't want fired because "well just look at his winning record, he's a winner, he's one of the greatest coaches ever", is about to get canned for the 3rd or 4th time since we canned him because he's never been able to win without a HOF QB. his own players think he should be fired for crying out loud

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/03/some-dolphins-players-want-sherman-out/

i'm just sick of seeing the same fucking mistakes year after year with nothing ever being fixed even though the coach always says "we'll get that fixed"

[Bretsky]

so, we're back to it being tt's fault

it is kind of stupid that we've been the youngest team in the nfl for about 7 or 8 years running now

Do you think we have above average talent on Defense ? I don't. Capers is dealt a 5 in blackjack and the dealer is showing an ace.

[Bretsky]

i think we should all be a little worried and pissed off that m3 came out in an interview yesterday and said he "was in love with our defense"

really?

what is there to love about this d? the inability to stop the run? the inability to stop the pass?

concerned would be the nicest way i could describe how i feel about our D

and this shows m3's major flaw, he can't smell the shit from the shit pile, if we get a new d=cord or special teams coach it will only be after TT or mark murphy forces M3 to get rid of them. just like TT had to do with the bob sanders mess

GOTTA AGREE
At minimal he should be noting our defense has to imporove soon...........inexcusable is the world that comes to mind

And Dom is NOT our worst coach

FIRE SLOCUM !

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Do you think we have above average talent on Defense ? I don't. Capers is dealt a 5 in blackjack and the dealer is showing an ace.

well, the GM keeps drafting defensive players, if those are the wrong players for the system you either need to change the system, or get a GM that drafts the right guys for the system you have

what we do know, is capers is not able to use the current talent he's given

and i do think we have some nice talent on that D, like i've said somewhere else (or to myself), the sum of our parts just don't add up to match the final product

[Bretsky]

well, the GM keeps drafting defensive players, if those are the wrong players for the system you either need to change the system, or get a GM that drafts the right guys for the system you have

what we do know, is capers is not able to use the current talent he's given

Honestly I'm not sure which it is. I don't think TT gives Dom enough talent and I don't think Dom uses it the best either. At this point we seems to have pissed away a few 1st rounders lately though

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Honestly I'm not sure which it is. I don't think TT gives Dom enough talent and I don't think Dom uses it the best either. At this point we seems to have pissed away a few 1st rounders lately though

seems like we've pissed away some whole drafts

[Smeefers]

exactly. m3 is too loyal to his coaches

look at slocum, his special teams have been horrible for years, yet the clown still has a job

and, since i think its related. our last head coach, who a lot of packer fans didn't want fired because "well just look at his winning record, he's a winner, he's one of the greatest coaches ever", is about to get canned for the 3rd or 4th time since we canned him because he's never been able to win without a HOF QB. his own players think he should be fired for crying out loud

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/03/some-dolphins-players-want-sherman-out/

i'm just sick of seeing the same fucking mistakes year after year with nothing ever being fixed even though the coach always says "we'll get that fixed"

Wait, people really liked the sherminator?

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Wait, people really liked the sherminator?

the sherman debate was almost exactly the same as the mccarthy debate

you mention firing sherman and people would flip out bringing up winning %, and blaming the players and injuries and other coaches and everything under the sun

those were the ones known as the kool aide drinkers. they are some of the same people that say "why would you fire capers? we're winning with him"

there were a lot of people that thought it was just a horrible idea to fire sherman

[mraynrand]

there were a lot of people that thought it was just a horrible idea to fire sherman

There was a pretty reasonable separation between evaluating Sherman the Coach and Sherman the GM. Most everyone wanted Sherman the GM gone.

[pbmax]

I think the article makes a fair point. If Capers current system is anything like LeBeau's, the he might the the wrong coach for the Packers.

Its clear he has dialed some of it back, but redesigning your defense is not always successful. Needing to be simple for your players and complex for the offense to read takes time to work out. His D plan might not fit. And he might not have the assistant coach to help that along.

[Smeefers]

Well, this kind of sucks, you know why? The "fire em" crowd is always going to be right... eventually.

I guess what gets me is that there's a lot of "can his ass" without any idea what to do after that. It smacks me like the Jay Cutler thing in Chicago. He's serviceable, but who's better on the market? No one.

Now, there's a hand full of HC's that might be better than MM, but you're wandering around in the Bill Cower, Tony Dungy area. Unless you can coax them out of a very comfortable retirement, I don't think there's anyone on the market who's got any better of a shot of taking our team all the way. Especially when you consider that if all things are equal, stability trumps and trumps high.

As for Dom Capers and Slocum, there really isn't that much of a ground swell to get rid of em. If there is, I think TT and MM are completely immune to the talk. Would you really want your GM and Head Coach to be influenced by a majority of the fans? My only hope is that the Pack can attract a coach like Wade Phillips (Texans) or Ray Horton (Browns). Without someone clearly better waiting in the shadows, I don't think Dom is going anywhere.

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Well, this kind of sucks, you know why? The "fire em" crowd is always going to be right... eventually.

I guess what gets me is that there's a lot of "can his ass" without any idea what to do after that. It smacks me like the Jay Cutler thing in Chicago. He's serviceable, but who's better on the market? No one.

Now, there's a hand full of HC's that might be better than MM, but you're wandering around in the Bill Cower, Tony Dungy area. Unless you can coax them out of a very comfortable retirement, I don't think there's anyone on the market who's got any better of a shot of taking our team all the way. Especially when you consider that if all things are equal, stability trumps and trumps high.

As for Dom Capers and Slocum, there really isn't that much of a ground swell to get rid of em. If there is, I think TT and MM are completely immune to the talk. Would you really want your GM and Head Coach to be influenced by a majority of the fans? My only hope is that the Pack can attract a coach like Wade Phillips (Texans) or Ray Horton (Browns). Without someone clearly better waiting in the shadows, I don't think Dom is going anywhere.

that assuming that m3 is in the upper tier of head coaches. i'm not convinced that m3 is that much better then the round of head coaches that just got canned. and IMO, m3 is almost the exact same tier of coach that sherman was

the fact that you think only a coach like cower would be an improvement over m3 leads me to believe you are drinking the cool aide by the gallons

and no ground swell to get rid of capers and slocum? do you live with your head in the sand? pre and post game call in shows are dominated by callers demanding we get rid of both of them. all packer forums are filled with threads dedicated to getting rid of those two. during the games the announcers talk about how fans want them gone

thinking that there is a very limited amount of guys that could replace the clowns we have, means that you rate our coaches way higher then you should be.

i suppose rodgers is the best QB of all time?
jordy is the best WR in the NFL?
lacy is the best RB?
tramon is the best CB?
EDS is the best center?
raji is the best d-lineman?
hawk is the best MLB?
clay is the best defensive player in the nfl?

[sooner6600]

This just in.

Maybe the players win inspite of poor coaching.

Why can't our defence turn around and intercept some of the ducks that come thier way?
With 6 minutes in 4th qtr they almost turn the balls way.

Are they looking for the game clock so they can go home and choom?


There it is done it; an actual Post.

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