FOR THOSE WHO HATE CAPERS.....

[Bretsky]

right there with you joe

Me too I think; I'm not sure there is any defensive coach I'd care about that much if he left. I love the intensity of Kevin Greene.....but the development at LB....not sure

With that being said, I continue to like all of our offensive coaches.

I know some have blasted our OL coach; I continue to be luke warm on Campen and would not consider letting him go. I think he's average and truth be told Campen should be given CREDIT this year

Edgar Bennett deserves kudos and our RB's have developed nicely.

Tom Clements...solid OC who many have tried stealing from us...and he's always been a stellar QB coach. Keep him as well

I'm not sure if I care about any of the defensive staff

[pbmax]

I don't think Capers and his guys do as good a job as the offensive side in taking the talent that is there and forming a cohesive whole.

McCarthy has had two to three completely different O lines and made it work, usually ugly but functional. He has had very different WRs (Driver and Jennings) and widely divergent talents at TE and RB.

His offense has changed with all of them. Rodgers might be the lynchpin that allows that to happen in the pass game and checking out of bad plays.

Capers D hasn't had that since Collins but there were communication issues then too. The rest of the D keeps getting fit into the same holes and there are some odd fits. He has adjusted his D line for Raji, but there has not been payoff on that except for certain games since 2010.

[pbmax]

that assuming that m3 is in the upper tier of head coaches. i'm not convinced that m3 is that much better then the round of head coaches that just got canned. and IMO, m3 is almost the exact same tier of coach that sherman was

Schwartz, Wiz, Kubiak, Chud, Munchak, Shanny, Frazier, Schiano

Schwantz, Schiano, Chud and Munchak will not be head coaches in the NFL again anytime soon. There is your Sherman group.

Kubiak and Frazier might have been done in by team's pretending to have front level QB talent when it didn't (Vikes) and when it had ceased being close (Texans). But did their coaching frighten you in a game? McCarthy has 2010's playoffs to point to plus that game versus the Vikings where he constructed a run game against the Williams Wall out of cardboard and duct tape. He regularly took apart the Vikes (minus Adrian Peterson) and might have begun the detonation of Kubiak's career.

Shanny might have had it once, but it hasn't been apparent since he tried to stuff Plummer into an Elway box.

I think only the Wiz is at McCathy's level as he was done in by organization blundering with Warner and his backups.

I would be happy to hire Schiano's D coordinator. They could be fearsome.

[Smeefers]

that assuming that m3 is in the upper tier of head coaches. i'm not convinced that m3 is that much better then the round of head coaches that just got canned. and IMO, m3 is almost the exact same tier of coach that sherman was

the fact that you think only a coach like cower would be an improvement over m3 leads me to believe you are drinking the cool aide by the gallons

and no ground swell to get rid of capers and slocum? do you live with your head in the sand? pre and post game call in shows are dominated by callers demanding we get rid of both of them. all packer forums are filled with threads dedicated to getting rid of those two. during the games the announcers talk about how fans want them gone

thinking that there is a very limited amount of guys that could replace the clowns we have, means that you rate our coaches way higher then you should be.

i suppose rodgers is the best QB of all time?
jordy is the best WR in the NFL?
lacy is the best RB?
tramon is the best CB?
EDS is the best center?
raji is the best d-lineman?
hawk is the best MLB?
clay is the best defensive player in the nfl?

Its always fun trying to make what someone else said extreme when it wasn't. You're not that good at it. I in no way said we have the bestest anything. Look before you leap.

I didn't say there weren't guys who couldn't coach at the same level as our current coaching staff, i said that there's not a lot that could do it better. Im not putting him in a HOF coach catagory, I'm saying he's under it, but I still think he's good. You just compared MM with Kubiak, Munchik, fraizer, schwartz and schiano with a straight face. That sir, is a bold statement. The only coach recently let go who's on the same level as MM is shanahan.

Who gives two shits what some hack calling into a radio show or what some blogger says? You know what I hear from reporters and analysts who get paid to cover the sport? Mostly positive things. There's a hush every once in a while about Dom fighting for his job, but thats it.

[Smeefers]

What's that saying? If you listen to the fans you'll eventually be one of them? I don't think Capers system sucks but we just don't have the horses to run it - especially in the middle and the back end/secondary. The D wasn't all that terrible earlier this season. What is the reason it collapsed? Injuries? Bad offensive play after AR got hurt? Both?

If I could answer that, I'd be a very rich man.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Anybody want Wade Phillips?

[Smeefers]

Anybody want Wade Phillips?

Kinda. Not sure. It wouldn't hurt my feelings, bit I don't want change just for the sake of change.

[Bretsky]

Anybody want Wade Phillips?

I'm not sure; I'd be fine with it. I want Ray Horton.

If you make me choose at this point I do think a change would be beneficial so I'd take Phillips over Capers. But he would not be a guy I'd jump at hiring without interviwing a list of candidates.

I have a feelling Dom is staying

[Bossman641]

I'd love to have Horton but I think he is way too coveted and will end up as a head coach somewhere.

[smuggler]

Mike Munchak is available and he would definitely be an upgrade over Campen, imo.

[Bretsky]

Mike Munchak is available and he would definitely be an upgrade over Campen, imo.

Not arguing, but if we grabbed every upgrade we'd have constant turnover and Campen did a good job this year IMO

[Joemailman]

Not arguing, but if we grabbed every upgrade we'd have constant turnover and Campen did a good job this year IMO

I agree about Campen. A 4th round pick rookie at LT, and an UDFA at RT and he made it work pretty well. They could be better next year with Bulaga, Sherrod and Tretter to add to the mix.

[woodbuck27]

the sherman debate was almost exactly the same as the mccarthy debate

you mention firing sherman and people would flip out bringing up winning %, and blaming the players and injuries and other coaches and everything under the sun

those were the ones known as the kool aide drinkers. they are some of the same people that say "why would you fire capers? we're winning with him"

there were a lot of people that thought it was just a horrible idea to fire sherman

Let's get right down to brass tacks 'real' here and now:

Going into todays playoff game and the Mike McCarthy Era !:

The Green Bay Packers are six wins and four loss's (6-4) or a .600 winning percentage (60%) and 1 World Championship.

Vince Lombardi did much better (9-1 in the playoffs) and 5 World Championships.

Mike Holmgren did better with back to back Super Bowl appearances, one World Championship and a 9-5 record (.643) in the playoffs.

It's a good thing for MM not to lose today and see his playoff record rise to 7-4 ( .636). Then Mike McCarthy would be closer to the same status level as Mike Holmgren. He'll never be in the same conversation and greatness as Vince 'the Saint' Lombardi. No HC will ever gain HIS STATUS. Such greatness in Pro Sports has seldom been approached.

What's going on!?

** Mike McCarthy has by the estimation of some Packerrats (some Packer fans). The incomparable Ted Thompson 'the Draft Genius' as his GM.

** Mike McCarthy has arguably the finest player in the NFL as his teams QB, in Aaron Rodgers.

** Mike McCarthy has such an array of weapons on offense for Aaron Rodgers to target.

** Mike McCarthy has often been touted as offensive expert to genius.

If we actually lost today and shouldn't at home ...so won't.

Yet 'just hypothetically', if the San Fran 49ers actually did turn up and defeat the Green Bay Packers!? Note: I even hate to imagine this happening...and this is a simple exercise.

Yet... in that negative result, wouldn't this then be a pertinent and fair question?

What 'then' is going on?

GO PACKERS...GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

Anybody want Wade Phillips?

He is a good DC...but a god awful HC. I would take him if we unleash Capers.

[bobblehead]

I agree about Campen. A 4th round pick rookie at LT, and an UDFA at RT and he made it work pretty well. They could be better next year with Bulaga, Sherrod and Tretter to add to the mix.

I am beginning to believe that Campen's biggest problem is that they kept trying to force him to run zone blocking without actually letting his guys practice it. Makes his job real tough.