Official 49er Playoff Week Discussion Thread

[woodbuck27]

Good to see you are back at it, Wist.

CJ Wilson can 2 gap?

I know this got started somewhere else, but NO, he can't.

Shit, he's happy when he is active for a game, let alone two gap from a 5 tech?

That was somebodies fantasy in an old thread or something.

Those 20 fronts drive me nuts, but Capers is trying to get some coverage help, deep in the hole and all the underneath routes. A 30 front gives him one less hand in coverage so he's trying to scheme things to get him some help back there. The 20 front in short yardage have mainly been a disguise, he still had 8 in the box.

Is it bobblehead that is somewhat up with C.J. Wilson.

Damn I mean.. a bit of a

no..errr..on with C.J Wil

Ahh ..... forget it.

[bobblehead]

There is no way the Packers could support the 3 LB alignment you describe against the pass. The middle of the field would be wide open. The safeties would not hold up. That 3rd DL would have to provide super human improvement to the pass rush and that guy isn't on the roster this year.

The problem is that the Packers are not good enough in base to defend the 3rd receiver OR a RB out of the backfield with a LB. In nickel or dime they are not good enough to shut down a running game, pass rush and defend deep with the same personnel. So the O can simply choose what they wish to attack based on Packer personnel if they feel its advantageous.

You may very well see a 3rd DL in some passing downs (esp against the 49ers) but you will see too many completed passes.

Its not the alignment or sub package. Its these players, in this scheme.

Now could a different scheme match them better? I am willing to entertain that thought about the OLBs/DL and maybe the ILBs. But not the backend, especially not the safeties.

Could someone else go mad scientist and cover up the flaws? Short term yes, but eventually the film would reveal the scam.

They need health, better personnel (Jones will help as a second year player) and Capers might have to break up the scheme if through attrition the players no longer fit. The playoffs may be interesting this year, their play has picked up lately but not enough yet.

Here is the catch though. Earlier in the year we were running 3 man fronts on early downs and actually stopping the run thus creating more advantageous 3rd downs and then actually getting stops. Somewhere along the way we reverted back to 2-4 all the way and there was a correlation to less success. Maybe it wasn't the reason, but I think it was.

[bobblehead]

Bobble will be happy about this: the Packers are going to practice outside tomorrow and Friday (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/238381301.html).

Yep, you play like you practice. If you practice in the warm and play in the cold, it will be foreign. If you practice walking to position and casually addressing the ball carrier, you likely will be passive in the game.

[woodbuck27]

Here is the catch though. Earlier in the year we were running 3 man fronts on early downs and actually stopping the run thus creating more advantageous 3rd downs and then actually getting stops. Somewhere along the way we reverted back to 2-4 all the way and there was a correlation to less success. Maybe it wasn't the reason, but I think it was.

Could that have been primarily based on a lack of depth with regards to 'Big Men'?

[bobblehead]

Is it bobblehead that is somewhat up with C.J. Wilson.

Damn I mean.. a bit of a

no..errr..on with C.J Wil

Ahh ..... forget it.

I never said he could 2 gap. That is a unique skill set that KY says he does not have. I can't say for sure without studying film. What I do know is that he has more tackles per snap year in and year out. He always seems to be around the ball. He also is inactive a lot. He will also probably start and be effective for someone next year.

[woodbuck27]

I never said he could 2 gap. That is a unique skill set that KY says he does not have. I can't say for sure without studying film. What I do know is that he has more tackles per snap year in and year out. He always seems to be around the ball. He also is inactive a lot. He will also probably start and be effective for someone next year.

Thank You for that analysis.

Logged.

I beg your pardon for that post. I imagine that you get it. (shaking my head)

[mraynrand]

Just a heads up:

The San Fran 49ers mraynrand the 2013 Bears are packing for trips to the Caribbean, Hawaii, Mexico...etc and trying to forget last Sunday's loss to the Packers.

The Green bay Packers are playing the 49ers in Lambeau field this week...Sun. Jan. 5, 2014 @ 3:40 CST.

Sometimes you're just an odd dude. We're analyzing the past game to make sense of what the Packer D is capable of defending, is that OK with you?

SF just doesn't have quite the same array of offensive weapons, but they're close. They probably will look a lot better than their 24th O ranking against the Packer defense. Kap runs better than Cutler too, If I recall correctly.

[mraynrand]

I never said he could 2 gap. That is a unique skill set that KY says he does not have. I can't say for sure without studying film. What I do know is that he has more tackles per snap year in and year out. He always seems to be around the ball. He also is inactive a lot. He will also probably start and be effective for someone next year.

I wondered a while back if he could 2 gap, in the context of the fact that he was being used more in the run game. KY was adamant he could not.

[gbgary]

so just "happy to be here?"
sounds sorta ncaa march madness sweet sixteen-like..

so after going 1-6-1 in Rodgers' absence, with det and chi collapsing during this same period, you don't think they feel a little lucky to be where they're at? I think it's a miracle.

[pbmax]

Here is the catch though. Earlier in the year we were running 3 man fronts on early downs and actually stopping the run thus creating more advantageous 3rd downs and then actually getting stops. Somewhere along the way we reverted back to 2-4 all the way and there was a correlation to less success. Maybe it wasn't the reason, but I think it was.

They still run 3-4 on the majority of 1st downs but it hasn't been as effective. i wrote this elsewhere but 2 gapping Raji has reduced his involvement and he doesn't shed unless he is quick off the ball. And Picket has been hurt and doubles are turning him.

I have no doubt though that teams run their 3WR-1TE-1RB package out there with the full intention of running out of it. Problem is, if Capers goes back to 3-4, that 3rd receiver or TE is killing the underneath coverage. The nickel and dime have slowed that recently since they shelved House and slot Tramontana and put Bush and Hyde inside with Tramontana sticking wide.

[woodbuck27]

Sometimes you're just an odd dude. We're analyzing the past game to make sense of what the Packer D is capable of defending, is that OK with you?

SF just doesn't have quite the same array of offensive weapons, but they're close. They probably will look a lot better than their 24th O ranking against the Packer defense. Kap runs better than Cutler too, If I recall correctly.

Do you enjoy beginning or ending posts with some smartass, insulting or backhanded comment? Does that seem appropriate to you? Someone treated you really badly growing up Eh. I feel sad for you....that you need to take that out on anyone here.

I stand for myself but I never mean to go out of my way to make enemies here. This is a Packer fan forum.I've been a Green Bay Packer fan of good standing likely longer than you. Your a Packer fan and it's nigh time that you and I clean up our act here.

Try a little common sense,decency and some better form of respect. We're older than some here and this isn't acceptable to me. It's too obvious that you get off in your ways and me but does that make sense? Your waqys will not ever knock me down mraynrand. So why not simply let go?

Now to the point:

I meant no offense and your post simply made me pause and try to determine if I entered a twilight Zone thing. Seriously your analysis of the Bears game and our defense threw me.

Otherwise:

Colin Kaepernick is definitely a bigger thread to run than Jay Cutler.

If he gets off again like he did last season in the playoffs. It won't go down well?

In reality how does out 'D' stop that? How does Dom Capers game plan to prevent Kaepernick scoring. Stop the 49ers rushing game which is their strength on 'O'?

GO PACK GO !

[KYPack]

I never said he could 2 gap. That is a unique skill set that KY says he does not have. I can't say for sure without studying film. What I do know is that he has more tackles per snap year in and year out. He always seems to be around the ball. He also is inactive a lot. He will also probably start and be effective for someone next year.

I didn't think you did say that. Somebody did in a thread mid-season. Wilson is an average player, lucky if he can secure the one gap he's assigned.

The Pack has two guys who can two gap. Pickett and jolly. Raji has been on the nose and is assigned to two gap, but that really ain't his style. when he's on, he can be an effective middle DLineman, but damn, he's been hit or miss this year.

I also like the 30 fronts we ran at the beginning of the season, but I think the loss of Jolly and other factors have caused Capers to try to use that 2-4 deal more.

I'd be more critical of the defense, but with the personnel we have presently, I really can't say what we should be doing.

I wonder what the many internet DC's would draw up if they were handed the chalk?

[pbmax]

Put the way KY just put it, I think you have to one gap everyone and attack. I am not sure that would be better overall but it would be something else to show them. If Adrian Peterson were still in the playoffs I would be too scared to try it.

Jolly is out, Wilson isn't the answer and Boyd is young. The best thing on the line are Raji, Jones and Neal when he is inside on the nickel. Stick two of the faster guys at end with Raji and Pickett rotating and hit gaps. Its could leave each ILB fighting a Guards but I am not sure what else to do. It seems insane that its going to get better unless they suddenly get healthy. I don't think they can run a 4-3, there isn't a MLB on the roster.

Talking through this, I am more convinced than ever that they really need a top notch ILB next to Hawk. Someone who will clean up all the trash left lying around while all the other guys wrestle.

[CaptainKickass]

First order of business, what adjective is best to describe the person who regularly makes this face in public?

After further review, I've re-consulted with the Keepers of the Powers of Kickass by way of Mental-Telephony. Given the choice to use my powers for good or for awesome, they were informed that my decision is always awesome. Thus, they have bestowed upon me the rare ability to weigh in on this topic twice in the same exact thread.

With this new found power I submit an additional caption: Pedantic

pe·dan·tic
adjective \pi-ˈdan-tik\ : of, relating to, or being a pedant(see pedant)

ped·ant
noun \ˈpe-dənt\ : a person who annoys other people by correcting small errors and giving too much attention to minor details



Also - the Rodgers/Boykin/Fumble/Pass/Recovery/Touchdown vernacular I've been using is "The A.D.D.T.D."

[woodbuck27]

Put the way KY just put it, I think you have to one gap everyone and attack. I am not sure that would be better overall but it would be something else to show them. If Adrian Peterson were still in the playoffs I would be too scared to try it.

Jolly is out, Wilson isn't the answer and Boyd is young. The best thing on the line are Raji, Jones and Neal when he is inside on the nickel. Stick two of the faster guys at end with Raji and Pickett rotating and hit gaps. Its could leave each ILB fighting a Guards but I am not sure what else to do. It seems insane that its going to get better unless they suddenly get healthy. I don't think they can run a 4-3, there isn't a MLB on the roster.

Talking through this, I am more convinced than ever that they really need a top notch ILB next to Hawk. Someone who will clean up all the trash left lying around while all the other guys wrestle.

NO. 59 out and replaced with a more consistent lunch bucket style performer.

GO PACKERS GO !