Bush

[Patler]

that play reminded me of walden last year, crashing inside time after time and letting Kap run wild

..and yet Matthews did the same exact things several times as well last year against SF. People railed on Walden for the long TD run, yet earlier in the game Matthews did the exact same thing as Walden, but Kaepernick only went for 15-20 yards, so no one remembers it. The plays were almost mirror images of each other the way Walden and Matthews played them.

People act as if Bush is the only blitzer who has ever lost/been forced out of his lane. The only reason people are making a big deal out of it is because Aikman decided to single it out.

As far as an impact play failure, Hyde's dropped interception was probably more significant.

People were pretty happy to have Bush against Atlanta when he had a big pass knockdown and then an interception to preserve a 1 point win.

The really sad part is that the starting DBs for the Packers seem to screw up plays almost as frequently as the guy who was the #6 CB at one point this year (Shields, Williams, Hayward, House and Hyde were all ahead of him.) The really funny part is that at the end of the year when it comes to playoffs and even the SB, its Bush who is still on the field while these other "great" DBs ahead of him are standing on the sidelines in street clothes or relaxing in the locker room nursing their latest injury. At least Bush is still on the field trying to win the game.

[mraynrand]

I just don't understand the logic of sending Bush to pressure Kap and keep contain, with an entire side of the field open with man coverage.

[woodbuck27]

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The really sad part is that the starting DBs for the Packers seem to screw up plays almost as frequently as the guy who was the #6 CB at one point this year (Shields, Williams, Hayward, House and Hyde were all ahead of him.) The really funny part is that at the end of the year when it comes to playoffs and even the SB, its Bush who is still on the field while these other "great" DBs ahead of him are standing on the sidelines in street clothes or relaxing in the locker room nursing their latest injury. At least Bush is still on the field trying to win the game.

So there.

Put that in your pipe and ...

[woodbuck27]

You are right. After we lost to them last year I said that against mobile QB's you have to collapse the pocket on them. That is how you disrupt them. If ever we see a truly athletic QB that also is a great pocket passer look out, because the big time threat to run means you get at least a full second extra in the pocket at nearly all times.

Last year we ran upfield over and over, then we bit on the read option even more times. We only blew contain twice in this game...I feel blessed.

Baby steps.

[pbmax]

You are right. After we lost to them last year I said that against mobile QB's you have to collapse the pocket on them. That is how you disrupt them. If ever we see a truly athletic QB that also is a great pocket passer look out, because the big time threat to run means you get at least a full second extra in the pocket at nearly all times.

Last year we ran upfield over and over, then we bit on the read option even more times. We only blew contain twice in this game...I feel blessed.

See, Colts game, last year.

[woodbuck27]

I just don't understand the logic of sending Bush to pressure Kap and keep contain, with an entire side of the field open with man coverage.

You can't drop back in pass protect and recover in time to seal the edge to.

You have to pick your poison. The fact is that Kaepernick isn't known for his passing. It's his legs that will burn you.

The Packers too often scare 'the bejays out of you' when it comes to any fast opponent trying to reach and reaching the edge. That's usually a nice plus Vs the Green Bay Packers.

[pbmax]

Oh, by the way, this is not Bush admitting McGinn or wist is right. Bush is talking about blitzing when the back is not going into the pattern. He might have had contain, but you still have no confirmation. Mulumba was behind all this, coverage or spy I am not sure.

Bush's job is two-fold: harass if not sack Kaepernick, and not permit him to scramble around his end.

Kaepernick pump-faked to Crabtree and, as Bush was leaping high to bat the pass, pulled the ball down and sprinted for 11 yards.

"My job is the back," said Bush. "I saw him getting ready to throw it and so I got my hands up.

"It was a short drop, and he pulled it down and made a play. At the end of the day, that's what it's all about."



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[HarveyWallbangers]

All of a sudden, Wist is back.

[pbmax]

All right, we might be able to get some more inside info if anyone can watch Larry McCarren's Monday TV show from this week. It was on TV here but I found it just after he stopped talking about Bush's blitz and as he moved to Mulumba chasing Kap but obviously limited by his earlier injury.

Called Packers Live with Larry McCarren and Quarless was his guest.

[pbmax]

I just don't understand the logic of sending Bush to pressure Kap and keep contain, with an entire side of the field open with man coverage.

I think Mulumba was the spy, but that is just a guest. The question is whether Green/Trgovac knew he was that slowed by his knee injury. Jones might have been faster at that point.

[KYPack]

All of a sudden, Wist is back.

That's it!

Wist, change your screen name to "Oliver Sudden".

[bobblehead]

Except that he escaped upfield for close to 100 when collapsing the pocket. So on the play in question, does Capers leave Mulumba inside and trust Bush to get both pressure and keep contain - and have zero help if he fails?

NO, we didn't collapse the pocket, that is the point. Bush lost outside leverage. When I say collapse the pocket I mean push it back into him and force him to move, but the edge rushers have to maintain contain. The edge guys push the tackles into the guards while the fatties in the middle push guards and center back. Thus it collapses on the QB. When he tries to scramble the outside guys release and pursue. Bush went inside the tackle and got pinned.

[bobblehead]

..and yet Matthews did the same exact things several times as well last year against SF. People railed on Walden for the long TD run, yet earlier in the game Matthews did the exact same thing as Walden, but Kaepernick only went for 15-20 yards, so no one remembers it. The plays were almost mirror images of each other the way Walden and Matthews played them.

People act as if Bush is the only blitzer who has ever lost/been forced out of his lane. The only reason people are making a big deal out of it is because Aikman decided to single it out.

As far as an impact play failure, Hyde's dropped interception was probably more significant.

People were pretty happy to have Bush against Atlanta when he had a big pass knockdown and then an interception to preserve a 1 point win.

The really sad part is that the starting DBs for the Packers seem to screw up plays almost as frequently as the guy who was the #6 CB at one point this year (Shields, Williams, Hayward, House and Hyde were all ahead of him.) The really funny part is that at the end of the year when it comes to playoffs and even the SB, its Bush who is still on the field while these other "great" DBs ahead of him are standing on the sidelines in street clothes or relaxing in the locker room nursing their latest injury. At least Bush is still on the field trying to win the game.

Incidentally, I railed on mathews last year for that play, but I hammered walden worse because he did it like 6 times.

[wist43]

All of a sudden, Wist is back.

Came off IR couple weeks ago

[wist43]

Seriously, this is what you come up with? Bledsoe was never any threat to run.

Did you not see my comment where I said Bledsoe was never a threat to run?? I simply used Butler's blitz as an example of how Bush needed to maintain outside leverage. I remembered that play, so I used it as an example... I'm sure there are better examples, but not easy to find on youtube.

As I said in my original comment, I knew immediately that when Bush came under the block that we were screwed - you have to keep Kaepernick in the pocket, and Bush committed the sin of letting him out. Bush should have known full well that there was no one behind him - again, simple football IQ.