Packers FA watch

[pittstang5]

Adrian Klemm, I presume?

He was considered high profile? He's the only FA I can think of from that time period.

[mraynrand]

He was considered high profile? He's the only FA I can think of from that time period.

I think so. He was a higher pick by NE but played a handful of games. I guess he was injury prone.

[Guiness]

Between our previous high priced guards and our current high priced guards, he signed a relatively high profile FA at the time who flopped, invested a second round pick in Colledge and a third round pick in Spitz. Colledge and Spitz weren't particularly high priced at the time because they were on their rookie contracts, but certainly the draft picks used to get them were significant. If Spitz hadn't become injury prone, I think he would have gotten a nice second contract at either guard or center. Just couldn't stay on the field. Colledge just turned out to be too inconsistent. Either or both probably would have gotten Sitton and Lang type contracts if they had performed well enough.

Ya, that's kind of my point...it's not that TT wouldn't spend money on guards, the Pack just didn't have any worth spending on.

Who was the high profile FA? Klemm?

[Patler]

He was considered high profile? He's the only FA I can think of from that time period.

Hey, I said "relatively" high profile, and I didn't say relative to what!!! .

Seriously though, the year they signed him, he was considered one of the possible "catches" in FA because he came cheaper than established starters, but many were sure he had starter ability based on his 5 years in New England and the fill-in starts he had there. Hid bugaboo was, you guessed it...injuries in New England. I remember a (JSO?) story when he was signed, with comments from numerous scouts saying he would be rock-solid in pass protection and that Favre would love the guy.

[Patler]

Just looked it up, per my own records, Klemm was the 16th highest paid Packer in 2005 and was the 12th highest in the summer of 2006. Lang was #11 last year.

[red]

Hey, I said "relatively" high profile, and I didn't say relative to what!!! .

Seriously though, the year they signed him, he was considered one of the possible "catches" in FA because he came cheaper than established starters, but many were sure he had starter ability based on his 5 years in New England and the fill-in starts he had there. Hid bugaboo was, you guessed it...injuries in New England. I remember a (JSO?) story when he was signed, with comments from numerous scouts saying he would be rock-solid in pass protection and that Favre would love the guy.

didn't they sign another FA lineman that year too? i want to say there was a white guy they brought in that had a decent name and he did even less then klem?

[red]

That's kind of interesting, and a shift from what the Packers seemed to do recently.

Going back, the Pack had pretty highly paid guards in Whale and Rivera, and now they do again. In the interim, not so much, but maybe it just wasn't warranted, and now it is. I don't know that it's necessarily a shift in thinking (we all seemed to think TT didn't value guards) as it is a shift in the value of the players at the position.

Red - how did you figure out where they were on the list? Go through the numbers yourself or find it somewhere?

there's a couple sites that are good for doing it.

my favorite though is http://www.spotrac.com/

it lets you look at all kinds of different categories and sort them all kinds of ways. you can even look at future and past years

heres this last seasons ranking for guards

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/cap-hit/guard/limit-25/

[red]

also, if you look at the average pay per year (contract value/amount of years) sitton ranks 8th and lang ranks 13th right now

http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=G

[Smeefers]

Shields is the only guy I'm concerned about. Raji is an amazing talent, but wasted on our D. Can't help it, that's the job they're asked to do. Eat blocks for the shitty linebackers behind them. You can't pay a guy big time money when he gets 17 tackles and no sacks in a year.

Career Stats
SEASON TEAM GAMES TACKLES INTERCEPTIONS FUMBLES
G GS TOTAL SOLO AST SCK SFTY PDEF INT YDS AVG LNG TDS FF FR
2013 GB 16 16 17 12 5 0.0 -- 0 -- -- -- -- -- 0 --
2012 GB 14 14 26 16 10 0.0 -- 2 -- -- -- -- -- 0 --
2011 GB 16 16 22 14 8 3.0 0 2 -- -- -- -- -- 0 1
2010 GB 16 16 39 29 10 6.5 -- 3 -- -- -- -- -- 0 --
2009 GB 14 1 25 19 6 1.0 -- 1 -- -- -- -- -- 0 --
TOTAL 129 90 39 10.5 0 8 -- -- -- -- -- 0 1


Note: Does anyone know how to copy and paste spreadsheet info?

Just trying out this spreadsheet thing.

Career Stats  
SEASON	TEAM	GAMES	TACKLES	                  INTERCEPTIONS                     	FUMBLES
G	GS	TOTAL	SOLO	AST	SCK	SFTY	PDEF	INT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TDS	FF	FR
2013	GB	16	16	17	12	5	0.0	--	0	--	--	--	--	--	0	--
2012	GB	14	14	26	16	10	0.0	--	2	--	--	--	--	--	0	--
2011	GB	16	16	22	14	8	3.0	0	2	--	--	--	--	--	0	1
2010	GB	16	16	39	29	10	6.5	--	3	--	--	--	--	--	0	--
2009	GB	14	1	25	19	6	1.0	--	1	--	--	--	--	--	0	--
TOTAL	               129	90	39	10.5	0	8	--	--	--	--	--      0	1

[pbmax]

Klemm was also thought to be a nice get because many thought his relative struggles were also because the Patriots played him at Tackle rather than Guard.

The low cost guy was Matt O'Dwyer.

[red]

Klemm was also thought to be a nice get because many thought his relative struggles were also because the Patriots played him at Tackle rather than Guard.

The low cost guy was Matt O'Dwyer.

thats who i was thinking of

thanks pb

[Patler]

I actually liked the O'Dwyer signing at the time, the type of signing I wanted him to do more of. O'Dwyer had over 100 starts in seven years. but had missed most of the two most recent seasons with injuries. He was signed to the vet minimum, and said he just wanted a chance to prove he could still play. Seemed like a good deal for both sides. It just didn't work out, but cost the Packers very little.

[Bretsky]

I actually liked the O'Dwyer signing at the time, the type of signing I wanted him to do more of. O'Dwyer had over 100 starts in seven years. but had missed most of the two most recent seasons with injuries. He was signed to the vet minimum, and said he just wanted a chance to prove he could still play. Seemed like a good deal for both sides. It just didn't work out, but cost the Packers very little.

I think around the time of this signing your blessing was a curse to a few players. Is this your guilt speaking since you basically ended this poor guys career ))

[Guiness]

didn't they sign another FA lineman that year too? i want to say there was a white guy they brought in that had a decent name and he did even less then klem?

O'Dwyer or something? Irish sounding anyways, he was about a 10year vet but didn't make it out of camp and sued the Packers for an injury settlement to boot.

[Patler]

I think around the time of this signing your blessing was a curse to a few players. Is this your guilt speaking since you basically ended this poor guys career ))

I seem to have that effect on O-linemen, don't I?