M3 Season-Ending Presser

[woodbuck27]

I agree with this, as a season at 8-8-1 is not a success, no matter Rodgers injury.

I am optimistic that eventually M3 found a QB, go him ready and put the offense back in gear. Another demonstration the guy knows what he is doing on offense.

But I am pessimistic that the D folded its tents at about the same time. Also pessimistic they missed so badly on Harrell. They can't help Wallace getting hurt or hope Tolzien becomes experienced in 3 weeks, but Harrell was here for 2-3 years and they still didn't know he wasn't getting it done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Green_Bay_Packers_season

The Green Bay Packers 2013 Season and the QB Position.

It's a long story with so many QB's going back to Graham Harrel and B. J. Coleman and the Vince Young ' Short order Experiment ' and as a result a rather long post. To be broken down in parts:

Part One :

"I am optimistic that eventually M3 found a QB, go him ready and put the offense back in gear. Another demonstration the guy knows what he is doing on offense." pbmax

What was Mike McCarthy going to do? Why should he get any extra credit for what was minimally necessary? Ask his GM for some sensible help. Imagine trying to work under Ted Thompson!? That has to be unreal difficult.

I mean really. Can we ever get past this too often dangerously close to a " Show of Codependance "!?

With TT's Man at Backup Seneca Wallace falling like a Transparent Apple in July. Down and bruised and rotted in the ground.

MM turned to his next..."He's my man at QB". Scott Tolzien. Good arm not enough awareness. He reminds may of us of Brett Favre at his worst in the playoffs. Really giving errrr but not firing on all cylinders. Us fans had to put up with loss's and Scott Tolzien (and it's not his fault as green as he was/is and new to the Packer system and play book).

Sorry Packerrats. The fault 'again' lies with Ted Thompson and lousy sense of foresight.

Ted has difficulty reacting to obvious needs. Here's a proof of that Packerrats:

it's the 2012 season over "off Season". The preparation for the 2013 season.

At Packerrats we're aware that the Packers have certain needs. WE discuss this over and over to get it straight. That's a large part of why Packerats exists. Sometimes we disagree and arrive at that happy place labeled ... "Agreeing To Disagree". Move On !

So it seems to me we arrived here in terms of need. Personally I check it out all over the internet for a comparison of what others believe the Packer needs are. I try hard to arrive at 'RIGHT'. Then I hope that Ted Thompson is even close to wanting to pat in my back yard.

ie Safety; ILB and a half decent backup QB... To just get started, and as "most obvious holes" on the Packer roster.

How come Packer fans see this and Ted Thompson doesn't pbmax ?

When Packer fans were screaming for him to get a half decent prospect in as a backup for Aaron Rodgers .

Good Ole Ted was sitting around as usual and doing close to Jack Shit. Ted Thompson is now worse than 'JUST SLOW' he's pathetically disregarding.

After the expunging of ** "Harrel - Coleman and Young":

** I wonder: Is that the name of a Law Firm somewhere in the English speaking world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Harrell#Green_Bay_Packers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJ_Coleman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Young#Green_Bay_Packers

The Vince Young experiment lasted all of 25 days. Maybe a sign of panic!?

Next UP:

SEE Part 2 and Seneca Wallace and Scott Tolzien>>>>

PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

I agree with this, as a season at 8-8-1 is not a success, no matter Rodgers injury.

I am optimistic that eventually M3 found a QB, go him ready and put the offense back in gear. Another demonstration the guy knows what he is doing on offense.

But I am pessimistic that the D folded its tents at about the same time. Also pessimistic they missed so badly on Harrell. They can't help Wallace getting hurt or hope Tolzien becomes experienced in 3 weeks, but Harrell was here for 2-3 years and they still didn't know he wasn't getting it done.

PART TWO:

Senaca Wallace signed Sept, 2, 2013 ...

NFL QB !?

Why can't we arrive at some logical position and Seneca Wallace's competence as a starting NFL QB!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Wallace#Green_Bay_Packers

Let's go back to Ted Thompson and his 'next' man @ Backup QB for this past season, Seneca Wallace:

(Height: 5 ft 11 in Weight: 205 lb Senaca Wallace) has been and looked simply terrible in limited time as the backup QB for Aaron Rodgers. Look at Seneca Wallace's record and inform 'yourself' of that man's obvious talents. I don't believe you can seriously go there pbmax. Why? Your far too bright.

His ( Seneca Wallace's ) past speaks mountains. RE: His limited skills to win NFL games as a starting NFL QB.

Add this:

Seneca Wallace was out of the NFL (check it) how long?; before TT brought him to Green Bay (**when?).

TT brings him in as Aaron Rodgers backup a tad late don't you think!? On September 2, 2013, Wallace signed with the Green Bay Packers "SIX DAYS", before our season opener @ San Fran 49ers on 8 Sept. 2013.

It gets worse for Seneca Wallace as a legit backup because we're aware as a backup in the Green Bay Packer development program. That the backup QB seldom see's a snap in practise with the NO. 1 Team.

So much for Seneca Wallace and development as a Green Bay Packer QB.

Over and over I read here the alibi excuse on Ted Thompson and Seneca Wallace.

"Well it's one of these ... "we don't really know's" and "the what if's" and added to that lineup "the really desperate ...whatever's" .

What is that really all about but nonsense. We got from Seneca Wallace as much as could reasonably be expected that he had to give. Little in the form of what's expected from a backup QB. Hey Ted Thompson !

The same goes for "NEXT UP" and neither of these QB can be blamed. They have a reasonable response. They weren't properly ready and / or prepared by the Green Bay Packers Developmental Program. What program is that for QB's? The next question that begs to be asked:

What's this Green Bay Packers Developmental Program really worth at all positions?

End of Part Two and I expect Senaca Wallace as a backup Green Bay Packer QB.

Cont'd in PART THREE >>>

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

Originally Posted by pbmax

" I agree with this, as a season at 8-8-1 is not a success, no matter Rodgers injury.

I am optimistic that eventually M3 found a QB, go him ready and put the offense back in gear. Another demonstration the guy knows what he is doing on offense.

But I am pessimistic that the D folded its tents at about the same time. Also pessimistic they missed so badly on Harrell. They can't help Wallace getting hurt or hope Tolzien becomes experienced in 3 weeks, but Harrell was here for 2-3 years and they still didn't know he wasn't getting it done. " pbmax

PART THREE:

So ....after Seneca Wallace goes down. We get 'the very green' Scott Tolzien.

Tolzien was signed to the Green Bay Packers practice squad on September 1, 2013 or one day before TT signed Seneca Wallace.

*** Scott Tolzien ... " He's my man at QB ". Mike McCarthy ... WE all had hope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Tolzien

Well there was good and bad and bad defeated good at the end of Scott Tolziens last day as the third Packer QB of the 2013 season.

*** Packer Nation Cried Out ! Please we need someone (anyone) >>> Ted Thompson ? Help !?:

We 'the Green Bay Packer FANS' had to sweat and wonder when the Packers would finally bring someone in. Someone that was even close to any bonafide NFL QB that might really and possibly fit in.

Matt Flynn was finally elected as that man.

*** Enter Matt Flynn. The NEXT ... "He's my man at QB" Mike McCarthy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Flynn

The way he was observed performing in Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo. That certainly wasn't a real guaranteed lift but he was familiar with things Packers? There's much to be said of that.

Flynn did wonderfully with what he has. Does anyone see, even as he did perform; his limited awareness (check downs... seem nowhere); and Matt Flynn is a real dip when you compare his arm to Scott Tolzien's arm.

Does anyone here recall Thanksgiving Day? Matt Flynn's performance in the Red Zone? Matt Flynn's pocket awareness?

It's as a real alarm, Matt Flynn's arm. Matt Flynn has something seriously wrong with his arm pbmax. That's too easy to see/analyze as the truth. Doesn't anyone see his limited awareness and the downside comparing Scott Tolzien's arm to Matt Flynn's?

PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

This is interesting:

Y'all should know by now I'm just a wee bit superstitious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Green_Bay_Packers_season

The Green Bay Packers 2013 Season and the QB Position.

Mike McCarthy had a whole lotta mess with the QB position this season. Did you

(Packerrats) forget this little Mike McCarthy hissy fit on the sidelines in Cincy?

Going off on Aaron Rodgers!? WOW ! Mike McCarthy gets his Irish on.

Was that a predictor of bad things on Mike McCarthy and the QB position to come? :

http://www.terezowens.com/aaron-rodgers-and-packers-head-coach-get-into-it/

September 23, 2013

Aaron Rodgers and Packers Head Coach Get into It

Holy Cow that got a little carried away. I realize that Aaron Rodgers had an off night and the Packers blew a huge lead but Gheeese Boys !

What kind of night did Mike McCarthy have calling plays? Was he bang on!?

I look at that collapse as a " Clearly ... TEAM LOSS". That game was simply blown south in a huge way. Too many to share the blame on that night's result.

Then starting out the season with a 1-2 record might cause enough concern for 'a little action '. If you have the stomach for it. Take a look at the play-by-play for that game for a closer analysis.

The LINK should take you to the 3rd Qtr, play-by-play; where Cincy begins it's huge comeback including 20 unanswered points before that game ended.

Jeremy Ross sure payed a price for that games result. Where I come from he'd be deemed 'the classic scapegoat. Of course there were extenuating circumstances.

Did Jeremy Ross get all of the blame? Of course not. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors and the Green Bay Packers? Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson act like they do. Like they know what's happening.

I wonder if Aaron Rodgers Christian Friend 'Jeremy Ross', being dumped on, bothered Aaron?

How about the men in the Locker Room? How do they react to losing a team mate when the whole team is responsible for such a stinker?

I wonder about such things. Isn't that all that matters Eh!?

After all we're all simply Packer fans.

[woodbuck27]

Of course, we bitch.....but Woody seems to be comsumed by this and developing an unhealthy hatred for people he doesn't even know! You come across as a guy letting off steam!

Come on man look in the mirror before you play the "he's hating on anyone " card.

I'm far from a man capable of such and that expressed against people that mean as little to me 'in reality' as Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson.

I'm simply and clearly very disappointed in both of these Green Bay Packer Leaders. I want better from both of them. I get as a member here a forum to express such disappointment as I personally do. I act alone without your or anyone else's need of compliance with my views. Views that are based in my observations analysis and rational thinking.

Describe that as hate!? That's not at all there. Smarten up please. Your out to lunch on that accusation LEWCWA.

Again...What I clearly see and feed back to the forum as my personal position. I don't expect it will be all received with "Yea Woody your right on's".

I post with a tough crowd. I've recognized that for 8-9 years now. I've never allowed that fact to set me on my ass and compromise my integrity LEWCWA.

Maybe try debating exclusively with me instead of playing the silly immature devide and conquer card.

STRICTLY Hypothetically speaking:

If your going to hit me. Hit me straight on; so I can hit your right back. I'm up for any such challenge.

Stand on your own two feet Vs me. I welcome you and that. This is a forum and the exact right place for such. The 'only 'hurt may come to ego's.

I welcome that if you can conduct yourself with some decency and are open for a little bruising of ego along the way. Bring it on as you may...may not.

Your call LEWCWA. The ball is in your court.

PACKERS !

[LEWCWA]

Come on man look in the mirror before you play the "he's hating on anyone " card.

I'm far from a man capable of such and that expressed against people that mean as little to me 'in reality' as Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson.

I'm simply and clearly very disappointed in both of these Green Bay Packer Leaders. I want better from both of them. I get as a member here a forum to express such disappointment as I personally do. I act alone without your or anyone else's need of compliance with my views. Views that are based in my observations analysis and rational thinking.

Describe that as hate!? That's not at all there. Smarten up please. Your out to lunch on that accusation LEWCWA.

Again...What I clearly see and feed back to the forum as my personal position. I don't expect it will be all received with "Yea Woody your right on's".

I post with a tough crowd. I've recognized that for 8-9 years now. I've never allowed that fact to set me on my ass and compromise my integrity LEWCWA.

Maybe try debating exclusively with me instead of playing the silly immature devide and conquer card.

STRICTLY Hypothetically speaking:

If your going to hit me. Hit me straight on; so I can hit your right back. I'm up for any such challenge.

Stand on your own two feet Vs me. I welcome you and that. This is a forum and the exact right place for such. The 'only 'hurt may come to ego's.

I welcome that if you can conduct yourself with some decency and are open for a little bruising of ego along the way. Bring it on as you may...may not.

Your call LEWCWA. The ball is in your court.

PACKERS !

What exactly are you talking about? your diatribe from what you quoted above, was a response to "old" defending you and our right to bitch and complain. My comment was just a clarification of the sense I get from reading your posts. Your upset, but I don't think anybody has a clue why? Cause MM is fat? Cause he didn't rip anybody? Cause his team is sitting home this weekend (like 23 other teams)? Cause Ted didn't draft according to your draft card? Cause M Hyde has butter fingers? Cause MM lets Capers and Slocum still collect checks? Cause MM doesn't call you at the house and let you know what he is thinking? Cause GBP are gods team and if they don't win the SB, the devil must be running them? I just don't get it.

[woodbuck27]

Well Mr. Woody-- I have zero animosity toward you, I have actually enjoyed your posting through the years. It just seems lately that you are taking this thing way to serious and developing a hate for people who you don't know and are successful..

I didn't think I cussed all that much in my post, my bad.

Do you see what goes on all over the NFL, I just don't think you get it. To be able to put a competitive team on the field year in and year out is success. The quality of talent is too close from top to bottom to expect much else. Really the only thing that that frustates me with your opinions is the fact that you come accross as knowing more than the professionals and well I don't think any of us are buying into that. These guys get paid to evaluate, coach, etc and have all the tools available. You don't know 1% of what MM or TT know about football!

NOTICE THE WHITE! lol

I promise you that I'll post to prove to you that I may be far more astute than you could possibly imagine I am.

I'm not going to lower myself and engage you in any pitched battle here LEWCWA.

I'm really sure that I have skills that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson might 'only' wish they had. I've lived an incredible life and often had the leadership role LEWCWA. That's including a lot of experience and sports. I've as a fan had the privilege of seeing how it's done best and now clearly see that these two men are down the garden path right now. Moreso that fact is in my guts.

These two men are sincerely disappointing to me. These two men are going to ruin the Green Bay Packers as their going.

If you can focus on counters to my position:

Fill your boots and target me. I'll handle that. I'll debate with you and be prepared for the best from me if you need to see that. Find out what I've got LEWCWA and it's far far far removed from something as ugly as hatred.

I'll demonstrate to you that this Packer fan has gained some solid insight into the right's and wrong's of how to run the very best football team. It's a lot the same as how to run any business or organization big or small.

Football IQ >>> Up your shoe LEWCWA.

To many of you sell yourselves short and that. You make these fellas out like their really special.

They get their T-shirts and socks on inside out just like you and I do sometimes. The thing that bothers me is when these leaders get all defensive and anal in their styles of coaching/managing. I know when a man is losing it. I can spot a defensive posture and posturing from afar.

I've actually lived far more life that Ted Thompson will ever live. His choices far different than mine. His choices don't make him any more skilled in evaluating a person than me. I won't budge off that.

As per my posts and getting your underwear all in knots. Simple solution and please.

Ignore my posts as that will really piss off your wife. That's sound advice right there LEWCWA.

GO PACK GO !

[LEWCWA]

I promise you that I'll post to prove to you that I may be far more astute than you could possibly imagine I am.

I'm not going to lower myself and engage you in any pitched battle here LEWCWA.

I'm really sure that I have skills that Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson might 'only' wish they had. I've lived an incredible life and often had the leadership role LEWCWA. That's including a lot of experience and sports. I've as a fan had the privilege of seeing how it's done best and h these two men are down the garden path right now.

These two men are sincerely disappointing to me. These two men are going to ruin the Green Bay Packers as their going.

If you ca focus on counters to my position:

I'll debate with you and be prepared for the best from me if you need to see that. I'll demonstrate to you that this packer fan has gained some solid insight into the right's and wrong's of how to0 run the very best football team.

To many of you sell yourselves short and that. You make these fellas out like their really special and they get their T-shirts and socks on inside out just like you and I do sometimes. The thing that bothers me is when these leaders get all defensive and anal in their styles of coaching/managing.

As per my posts and getting your underwear all in knots. Ignore my posts as that will really piss off your wife.

GO PACK GO !

See now this post is entertaining and humerous. Your are either the most interesting man in the world or severly lacking in self esteem......

[woodbuck27]

What exactly are you talking about? your diatribe from what you quoted above, was a response to "old" defending you and our right to bitch and complain. My comment was just a clarification of the sense I get from reading your posts. Your upset, but I don't think anybody has a clue why? Cause MM is fat? Cause he didn't rip anybody? Cause his team is sitting home this weekend (like 23 other teams)? Cause Ted didn't draft according to your draft card? Cause M Hyde has butter fingers? Cause MM lets Capers and Slocum still collect checks? Cause MM doesn't call you at the house and let you know what he is thinking? Cause GBP are gods team and if they don't win the SB, the devil must be running them? I just don't get it.

You don't get it.

You ...I expect never will. I don't play the personality clash game LEWCWA.

You don't even try to understand my views and because of that I'm at a complete loss.

If I said it was 'red' and it actually by definition of the color chart is 'red'; you would wonder 'why I said it was red'.

Your frustrated with me. LEWCWA. Your not the poster boy "of all things clear".

If you can get some better handle on your anger. You may stand a decent ..**NO...You won't get it.

Try to recognize that as RED !

Have a good Off Season LEWCWA.

Bye Bye.

[woodbuck27]

See now this post is entertaining and humerous. Your are either the most interesting man in the world or severly lacking in self esteem......

LOL My self esteem is fine.

My friends and closest acquaintances have often remarked that I make them laugh ...that they enjoy the entertainment I provide.

That often comes with a way (s) to look at almost anything from an assortment of standpoints. I would have made a decent stand up comedian...my sister would have made a lot of money at that. She's remarkably humorous. I have a brother that hasa unique sense of humor as well.

All that comes from truly loving and Christian parents that taught us to love life and somehow embrace such and all people. That's just not reasonable with some that are clearly creeps.

A good sense of humor is often aided by well above average intelligence. My parents didn't have any stupid children. Thus they invested well in us.

That's ( a sense of humor) certainly enhanced with attention focused on gaining 'open minded' and clear insight.

That again gets to 'a very special place' when the above is all wrapped up in the true meaning of 'fair play'. To fully be aware that almost everyone can teach us something.

No Sir you can categorize me as you deem necessary to help you falsely deal with your issues.

I don't really give a damn.

[LEWCWA]

You don't get it.

You ...I expect never will. I don't play the personality clash game LEWCWA.

You don't even try to understand my views and because of that I'm at a complete loss.

If I said it was 'red' and it actually by definition of the color chart is 'red'; you would wonder 'why I said it was red'.

Your frustrated with me. LEWCWA. Your not the poster boy "of all things clear".

If you can get some better handle on your anger. You may stand a decent ..**NO...You won't get it.

Try to recognize that as RED !

Have a good Off Season LEWCWA.

Bye Bye.

You have every right to think MM sucks as a coach. I just don't know why you think he does? you never say anything in black and white. If you think he sucks cause he didn't win a playoff game, well then 24-28 teams a year should be looking for new coaches....I think he is a good coach, because he puts a team on the field every season that has a shot. Thats it. Is he perfect, not by a longshot.
Like I said Lombardi wasn't perfect either....

[LEWCWA]

LOL My self esteem is fine.

Well then getcha a Dos Equis.

[woodbuck27]

Well then getcha a Dos Equis.

Com certeza.

Qual é sua opinião de Mike McCarthy birra no jogo de Cincinnati?

[woodbuck27]

You have every right to think MM sucks as a coach. I just don't know why you think he does? you never say anything in black and white. If you think he sucks cause he didn't win a playoff game, well then 24-28 teams a year should be looking for new coaches....I think he is a good coach, because he puts a team on the field every season that has a shot. Thats it. Is he perfect, not by a longshot.
Like I said Lombardi wasn't perfect either....

If every time I saw MM doing something I disagreed with during the season I'd get tired of myself.

I believe there's a time to air it out and if a Packer fan can't do so right now he'd better hold his piece.

Now is that time and I'm not even landing on him with both feet.

I do realize that a lot of his ways has a direct LINK to Ted Thompson. I have to try to be fair and sift through all of that LEWCWA.

I believe I'm most definitely clear on what bothers me in each of these fellas.

That and me being rather sketchy is hardly the case.

[woodbuck27]

Let's re-focus and right here:

" Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl. " pbmax

Please pbmax...The LINK of the Stat's study (Article) that confirms this fact.

Thanks.