M3 Season-Ending Presser

[Guiness]

I agree with this, as a season at 8-8-1 is not a success, no matter Rodgers injury.

I am optimistic that eventually M3 found a QB, go him ready and put the offense back in gear. Another demonstration the guy knows what he is doing on offense.

But I am pessimistic that the D folded its tents at about the same time. Also pessimistic they missed so badly on Harrell. They can't help Wallace getting hurt or hope Tolzien becomes experienced in 3 weeks, but Harrell was here for 2-3 years and they still didn't know he wasn't getting it done.

What does it really matter what happened to Wallace? Every time I see it mentioned 'too bad about Wallace' I wonder why people wax poetic about what he could've been.

I think the Packers end up with the same record with him as they did without him before Flynn got to GB, 0-3. His performance in the Bears game was abysmal. 11/19 for 114yds and an INT. Couldn't win the game even with Lacy getting 150 yards on the ground.

[Fritz]

The single biggest disappointment for me this season was the failure of the defense to make a difference. If there ever was a time to step out from the shadow of the offense, it was while AR walked the sidelines in street clothes. They had games against teams that were not very good, games that the defense should have controlled, but they didn't.

Their confidence in Harrell was odd, wasn't it? The only thing I can imagine to justify it is that maybe MM really wasn't blowing smoke a couple times when he said that in the classroom and at practice Harrell was dead on. Unfortunately, in games he was just dead.

As I lamented over the latter part of the season, my biggest disappointment was in the play of the defense after Rodgers went down. They were not playing world-beating offenses in several of those games but could not get the job done, period, even in the game in which
Tolzien and the offense had a tremendous TOP advantage - the Eagles, I think it was.

They did, as Pb points out, come up with some stops and turnovers toward the end of the season - da Bears, the Cowboys - but it was not a defense that could be counted on.

After finally getting ahead against SF, 17-13, the defense could not stop SF, and after the Pack had tied it up at twenty, could not stop the Niners to get to OT.

The biggest individuaal failures on that drive appear to be Hyde's not-pick and Bush's jumping and not containing. However, no one put pressure on Krapernick, either.

I think the injuries to Jolly, Matthews, et al, really hurt, but it sounds like Datone Jones thinks maybe Raji was playing selfishly. Or at least that's what it sounds like in another thread.

My guess is that Raji goes, Finley never plays again, and so the Pack can re-sign Shields and Neal and draft a number of defenders. I am hoping they spend some early picks on a safety, a couple inside linebackers, and a nose tackle.

And just sign Flynn for God's sake to a one year deal. See if you can develop Tolzien as the number three, and if that doesn't work out draft someone next year.

[QBME]

I don't think this is a good enough reason to avoid the question.

You are given two sets of facts and asked to reconcile. Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl.

On the other side are 1 and done playoff exits at the hands of the Giants and 49ers.

You claim the latter is demonstration of McCarthy and Thompson having no common sense nor a plan to improve. You have said Thompson has no sense and McCarthy is incompetent That's fine, but explain the former in light of your conclusion.

But those observations don't square easily with their accomplishments.

Crickets.....waiting....

[LEWCWA]

Nice post except for the hating on Vince part!

Hate to hate on Vince, but even he knew perfection couldn't be attained!

[LEWCWA]

I assume that eng. stands for engineering, as in engineering manual? I'll take offense to that!

btw you could use a little more whitespace in your own posts...

I have taken that under advisement! Tell me most of Woody's post don't just frustate you trying to read them.

[LEWCWA]

Of course I bitch about the team when I see problems, just like I cheer when they do well. This is a Packer internet chat site, anybody who comes here should expect to see all kinds of opinions, and they shouldn't get their undies in a bundle if somebody doesn't agree with them. That is the nature of the chat site beast. I think everybody wants to see the Packers improve, it is just differences of opinions on how we get there, i.e. new coaches, different players, where to spend money, how to stay healthy, etc. Hell, if everybody thought the same, this site would be boring as hell and not worth visiting anymore.

Of course, we bitch.....but Woody seems to be comsumed by this and developing an unhealthy hatred for people he doesn't even know! You come across as a guy letting off steam!

[Teamcheez1]

Of course, we bitch.....but Woody seems to be consumed by this and developing an unhealthy hatred for people he doesn't even know! You come across as a guy letting off steam!

Woody has post-concussion syndrome. He was the only non-NFL player included in the settlement, mainly due to injuries battering his head against walls and older style t.v.'s.

[LEWCWA]

" That should not consume you and if it does you need help! " LEWCWA

I do need help LEWCWA.

I need some competence demonstrated on behalf of Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson.

Your post is demonstrating some anger. Try to calm down please. What's with all the cursing? That anger won't do you any good and it won't do Packerrats any good. That accomplishes nothing. Please try... Simmer or tone it down a wee bit.

I'm merely a messenger and attack the message not me.

Now after that concern and advisement this:

I'll try very hard to make this message clear for 'YOU' and any other member that see's it as you do.

By the way I do respect your take on the Packers in terms of "it should be 'Good Enough'. I'm certainly not going to buy into it. Now that's just me. Don't feel threatened.

Re-focusing ...My response :

Note my manners LEWCWA. Do I use language that reflects anger? As a leader in my lifetime I've been well aware that weakness knocks any wanna be leader off that perch.

Anger doesn't solve anything. Bad language and poor manners and a confrontational attitude reflects a certain lacking in respect. If it gets there ..................it's nowhere, LEWCWA.

I can get there myself sometimes but I manage to put a wrap on that nonsense. In specific regards to Packerrats my stances are my own. Like me or hate me I don't give a hoot. I focus on TRUTH not any need of popularity. I focus on an attitude of support for my beloved Green Bay Packers.

I'm in a Pro Pickem' operated out of this forum. No one invested more real support in the Packer Vs 49ers and PACKERS as I did. Only one person on this forum bet largely on the San Fran 49ers to defeat the Green Bay Packers. The rest of us Packerrats bet on the Packers. That member cashed in on that bet. That doesn't make that member any less of a Packer fan. That member elected his/her CP's on the 49ers for any reason his/her business.

So don't in any way condemn me in any terms related to my undying support for the Green Bay Packers. A support I'll challenge anyone here at Packerrats with in terms of "LOYALTY". I'm "ALL IN " and Green Bay Packers mate. You cannot imagine your any better a Packer fan without me kicking your butt (as a poster here ) and such nonsense.

Did 'YOU' get that message LEWCWA?

I'm not consumed by the facts behind what's obvious to me. Such findings don't threaten my position to see the Green Bay Packers better prepared to compete with "the real Super Bowl contenders".

My Green Bay Packer support certainly cannot ignore Packer HC Mike McCarthy. As his his attitude appears 'right now'. If my description of his attitude annoys "YOU"?

Deal with it and not by deposing your anger on me. . 'ONLY' that would be appreciated.Thanks Packer fan.

Does my position in any manner threaten Mike McCarthy? I suspect the correct answer to that is .... a resounding .... NO !

Does my position threaten 'YOU' in your Green bay Packer fan...ness. As a dedicated Mike McCarthy supporter? If so that's not my problem.

I might grovel and beg that my views be understood. That would insult you and more so, myself.

If you can't wrap your Packer fan...ness, around a 1-3 record in the post season, since the Packers last won a Super Bowl? Then my views are a fruitless waste of my time and 'YOU'.

I'm well aware of what's going down and Packers. I'm generally 110% paying attention to not just Packers but "things NFL", LEWCWA. I'm "hard wired totally in" mate. I certainly pay attention. I doubt that you have the time to be as informed. That you have other interests as that may b

My posts are not of any imminent threatening nature for many reasons. The greatest being what we all must deal with as Packer fans and Mike McCarthy's boss...Packer GM Ted Thompson. My critique of Mike McCarthy falls well short of my rights to beg that he be FIRED !! I'm rather sure that Ted Thompson has a pact with Mike McCarthy and that includes no heavy handedness.

TT and MM. They often eat their version of their soup. I like something more in my Packer fan diet.

How do you read my last sentence.

As the English is or woodbuck27 would revel in seeing Mike McCarthy FIRED !?

Ohh your attitude towards me in regards to me and bitching. Please man...get real.

I post facts. I'm one of those Packer fans that Mike McCarthy would depose as losers. I support my positions with something corroborating "TRUTH". Mike McCarthy returns a whole dish of "the same Ole same ole. .. that amounts to nothing but more Mike McCarthy attitude.

By the way Mike McCarthy overeats to deal with his anxiety.

Miek McCarthy is fat. He's over the top too fat. He's so fat and out of shape that he cannot even get his ass on the field when his CB goes down to at least appear that he cares. How many Packer players can make that observation LEWCWA?

I see too much LEWCWA. I certainly offer you and all Packerrats just a part of what I see. That barely scrapes the surface of all of it. I must post to ensure that I don't upset the tender sensitivities of many here at Packerrats. I swallow so much BS it's actually funny to me LEWCWA.

Mike McCarthy is letting his job take him to a quick grave. That man is a minute away from a stroke or a heart attack. Haven't you as a Packer fan that supports Mike McCarthy noticed that? If not are you really caring about Mike McCarthy as I am.

Before there can be any communication there first must be a solid chance for good results from such.

All prejudice must be waved to the side. I hypothetically can be your brother and we might clearly disagree.

GO PACK GO!

Well Mr. Woody-- I have zero animosity toward you, I have actually enjoyed your posting through the years. It just seems lately that you are taking this thing way to serious and developing a hate for people who you don't know and are successful..

I didn't think I cussed all that much in my post, my bad.

Do you see what goes on all over the NFL, I just don't think you get it. To be able to put a competitive team on the field year in and year out is success. The quality of talent is too close from top to bottom to expect much else. Really the only thing that that frustates me with your opinions is the fact that you come accross as knowing more than the professionals and well I don't think any of us are buying into that. These guys get paid to evaluate, coach, etc and have all the tools available. You don't know 1% of what MM or TT know about football!

NOTICE THE WHITE! lol

[woodbuck27]

I don't think this is a good enough reason to avoid the question.

You are given two sets of facts and asked to reconcile. Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl.

On the other side are 1 and done playoff exits at the hands of the Giants and 49ers.

You claim the latter is demonstration of McCarthy and Thompson having no common sense nor a plan to improve. You have said Thompson has no sense and McCarthy is incompetent That's fine, but explain the former in light of your conclusion.

But those observations don't square easily with their accomplishments.

Let's re-focus and right here:

" Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl. " pbmax

Please pbmax...The LINK of the Stat's study (Article) that confirms this fact.

Thanks.

[denverYooper]

Let's re-focus and right here:

" Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl. " pbmax

Please pbmax...The LINK of the Stat's study (Article) that confirms this fact.

Thanks.

Good Lord Woody. You're a passionate fan and you certainly give this site some flavor but at this point you're just being obtuse. ThunderDan posted playoff pcts, win %s, etc a couple of pages ago: http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...l=1#post768297 and you just ignored it because you choose to slice the last 3 playoff problems as your 'data set' showing M3's supposed coaching deficiencies. Now you want to re-focus with links showing the things pb is talking about? You're wandering from your original argument of short-term futility, and you are attempting to pivot on a broken leg.

[bobblehead]

Now this response is coherant and easy to read. So much of your posts are so convaluted that people can't get through them. Honestly, it is like reading an eng. manual. You say you pay attention, but damn there are 32 teams paying people alot of money to get to the same place. I don't really know what you want from MM and can't tell from your posts. The guy puts a competative team on the field every season, even seasons that like this one that probably should have ended in the shitter. Still they found a way to compete and get to the dance! Sure the team missed opportunities, but hell you don't think SF fans were a little befuddled with two short field goals early, essentially keeping this GB team in the game. MM is a stand up guy. Why would he throw his friends under the bus to appease people like you or I. That make zero sense. You are all over the map with this team it seems to me and if they didn't win the SB then heads should roll. You bitch about the draft, like you know more than they do. You bitch about the level of play when they win at a pretty good pace. You bitch about the info given to you, when you know damn good and well they are taught to say as little as possible. Be happy you root for one of the most glorious teams in any sport and they put a good product on the field more often than not. Hell even in the 80's they were exciting to watch. I would say except for the 70 this franchise has put an exciting and good product on the field. I don't get you Woody, sometimes your just not the best team and you lose. That should not consume you and if it does you need help! Hell even Lombardi wasn't perfect.....

You are correct that woody gets a bit convoluted and hard to read, but I have two words for you:

Paragraph break.

[bobblehead]

I don't think this is a good enough reason to avoid the question.

You are given two sets of facts and asked to reconcile. Playoffs 5 straight years and the best winning percentage beside New England in the League for any appreciable amount of time, plus a Super Bowl.

On the other side are 1 and done playoff exits at the hands of the Giants and 49ers.

You claim the latter is demonstration of McCarthy and Thompson having no common sense nor a plan to improve. You have said Thompson has no sense and McCarthy is incompetent That's fine, but explain the former in light of your conclusion.

But those observations don't square easily with their accomplishments.

Capers and Slocum have been covering for the shortcomings of TT and MM.

[bobblehead]

What does it really matter what happened to Wallace? Every time I see it mentioned 'too bad about Wallace' I wonder why people wax poetic about what he could've been.

I think the Packers end up with the same record with him as they did without him before Flynn got to GB, 0-3. His performance in the Bears game was abysmal. 11/19 for 114yds and an INT. Couldn't win the game even with Lacy getting 150 yards on the ground.

Not so sure. Wallace had 7 weeks to prepare for the role, although as the backup. I don't think we would have run the table, but I think if Wallace had played all 8 games we may have gone 4-4. We damn near beat chicago and he didn't really practice with the gameplan all week.

[MJZiggy]

You are correct that woody gets a bit convoluted and hard to read, but I have two words for you:

Paragraph break.

LOL! I've been teaching my engineers to add a paragraph break after each sentence to make sure that the one sentence is coherent and not too long before they string them back together into paragraphs.

[LEWCWA]

You are correct that woody gets a bit convoluted and hard to read, but I have two words for you:

Paragraph break.

This has already been taken under advisement......notice white in last post to Woodman. I was posting at work and sure didn't want to go that long......lol