JS- SAFETIES CAUSE PACKERS DEFENSE MORE HARM

[woodbuck27]

A couple unfathomable stats

First time since the 1950's that this postion had zero pix in GB

MD Jennings did NOT have a pass breakup the entire season

ERIC REED and/or MATT Elam would have been nice

Yea. Red pointed that out and that shocked me.

We looked so bad back there this season and again an extension of last season and the one before that and ...

That I simply gave up on Green Bay Packers and Safety as this past season went.

The 2012-2013 "Off Season" clearly called for attention at the Packers Safety position.

You and I certainly knew that B. If any Packer fan delved into what the Experts saw for our teams needs. They would have been well aware that the safety spot was a Primary need. Another Primary need being at LBer.

I looked carefully at DE Datone Jones and I liked him and I didn't. I didn't like his penchant to be a show boat. That based on not domination; rather flashes of what is truly needed to be seen to project a player dominant at his position and the NFL. Proof of that:

Little this season to recommend hope for: In specific terms of any "flashes and promise" for DE Datone Jones future of dominance as a Packer and as it must be for a first round pick.

As long as Mike McCarthy ( with the support of Ted Thompson) entertains faith in Dom Capers; abandons any move to a 4-3 base 'D'. The futures of high draft picks like Nick Perry and Datone Jones is in severe jeopardy.

You don't need to be any genius to see so much watching video and recording and analyzing Packer games. If you ignore that it's easy to slip as a fan. If any here has the means to I certainly recommend the effort.

Back to Ted Thompson and ignoring the Safety position and the 2013 draft.

That surprized many experts. It did more than surprize me. To post ... that ignoring by Ted Thompson caused me to "shake my head" doesn't exactly cover how I felt.

Darn it ! Darn it X a lot !!!

TT would have had to be aggressive to get S Eric Reid. Who wouldn't love Eric Red!? The loaded up San Fran 49ers landed another solid help for their future right there. Eric Reed has every opportunity and the gifts to be a player.

TT's pick Datone Jones (when will he arrive in Green Bay?) indicated to me that his concern certainly wasn't anything primary to do with Green Bay Packers and the Safety position. That's easy to analyze as Ted Thompson might have chosen S Matt Elam, who was available when he elected Datone Jones.

As usual...and as that draft went and Safety Ted Thompson did NOTHING.

Ted "NOT A THING" Thompson never fails to amaze me in terms of his awareness "NOT" .

So here we are and Safety ................again.

Here we are and MM and his love for DC Dom Capers................again.

Here we are and some concern that's being admitted to by MM as "CULTURE" related.

I would so much like to be able to grap onto Mike McCarthy's attention. Face to face ... Irish mug to Irish mug get him to hear me or certainly try to get right there. I'd simply say something like this

No kidding Mike McCarthy. You need a whole lot of HELP. Use your Irish and stand up man. Stand on what it really is ! Demonstrate some chops Mike. Show me you won't settle for what you have now."

Otherwise continue as you are now and disappointing me.

PACKERS !

[Bossman641]

Most disappointing to me is that Burnett looked slow out there. Maybe he's thinking too much but I thought he tested out pretty well athletically at the combine. Thought his college highlight tape showed him high-pointing balls and generally looking like an athlete. He was a step slow all year.

[Striker]

Most disappointing to me is that Burnett looked slow out there. Maybe he's thinking too much but I thought he tested out pretty well athletically at the combine. Thought his college highlight tape showed him high-pointing balls and generally looking like an athlete. He was a step slow all year.

I think this was because he (along with the rest of the secondary at times) was so lost out there, that he'd often be out of position because of the mental issues they were having back there. Hopefully they can get the mental game/communication solidified.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Burnett should be playing for the rest of his contract through the first 8 games this year. If he still sucks and makes the same mental blunders, send him down the road. 5th season is long enough to turn the corner.

Jennings is garbage. He and Newhouse should be on the same bus out of town.

To be fair, I'd take Burnett of last year. Was expecting another jump this year and he regressed. Hopefully, it was mostly an injury thing. He didn't look as athletic as he has in the past.

[Patler]

To be fair, I'd take Burnett of last year. Was expecting another jump this year and he regressed. Hopefully, it was mostly an injury thing. He didn't look as athletic as he has in the past.

I agree. Last off season, a lot of articles ranking safeties put him quite high, on the verge of moving into the top group. He didn't show that this year.

[Patler]

I can have one more off-season of patience with Burnett, only because he missed his rookie season.

His career stats after 4 years compared to Collins after 3 years:

Burnett - 49 starts in 49 games; 238 tackles; 22Pdef.; 3 sacks; 6 interceptions; 4 FF.
Collins - 45 starts in 45 games; 168 tackles; 22 Pdef.; 0 sacks; 4 interceptions; 4 FF.

I have heard coaches and evaluators talk about 50 games being necessary for a player to mature. It sure was for Collins, because in games 46 thru 61 he had 15 Pdef and 7 interceptions. It was like flipping a switch for him. Maybe Burnett will do the same for games 50-65 of his career.


Incidently, in Collins third season as a starter, he had only 5 Pdef. and zero interceptions, which is identical to what Burnett accomplished this year, albeit in 16 games while Collins played in 13 his third season. A lot of people were labeling Collins a bust at that point.

[Bretsky]

I'm not giving up on Burnett. I think him and Collins would have been stellar. I think he's an alright safety. But it's time to stop dicking around at the other spot. I get Hyde...but we can't count on him as a starting safety. HW has pointed out several times that there are several starting safeties hitting.................shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

FREE AGENCY

It's time to go get one.



I was also on board with the Datone Jones pick; I loved Reed coming out last year but he was gone. Only time will tell if we should have grabbed Elam over Jones. Right now it appears the answer was yes but our current #2 safeties Datone Jones has a lot of talent and upside.

[Joemailman]

Complain all you want but Doc Jennings had the most perfect fill I have ever seen in a football game. Dan thought it knocked him woozy and I am not sure he made another play in the game, but for one day at least, he did part of his job well.

But here's the problem. On that play he showed he's not physically tough enough to play in the box. One collision with a tough RB knocked him out of the game. And of course, he had already proven over and over again that he is a huge liability in coverage.

[denverYooper]

But here's the problem. On that play he showed he's not physically tough enough to play in the box. One collision with a tough RB knocked him out of the game. And of course, he had already proven over and over again that he is a huge liability in coverage.

I thought the article mentioned something about the good dr needing to beef up.

I'm with Bretsky here, though. The Packers should probably go after a safety in FA (and draft another).

[pittstang5]

I can have one more off-season of patience with Burnett, only because he missed his rookie season.

His career stats after 4 years compared to Collins after 3 years:

Burnett - 49 starts in 49 games; 238 tackles; 22Pdef.; 3 sacks; 6 interceptions; 4 FF.
Collins - 45 starts in 45 games; 168 tackles; 22 Pdef.; 0 sacks; 4 interceptions; 4 FF.

I have heard coaches and evaluators talk about 50 games being necessary for a player to mature. It sure was for Collins, because in games 46 thru 61 he had 15 Pdef and 7 interceptions. It was like flipping a switch for him. Maybe Burnett will do the same for games 50-65 of his career.


Incidently, in Collins third season as a starter, he had only 5 Pdef. and zero interceptions, which is identical to what Burnett accomplished this year, albeit in 16 games while Collins played in 13 his third season. A lot of people were labeling Collins a bust at that point.

For the sake of the team, I hope Burnett turns it around next year. I'm not a fan, hated they signed him to his current deal but I figured the Packer brass know more than I do.

For curiousity, I'd like to know how many chances Collins had at interceptions. If I remember, he had quite a few opportunities in that third year and dropped all of them. I remember in the offseason of that year it was reported he was working on catching the ball. His 4th year, he blew it up and snagged everything thrown his way.

[bobblehead]

"Stat's are for losers."Mike McCarthy **

**Mike McCarthy's weekday and end of season Press Conference....Wed. 8 Jan. 2014.

Did you know that half the schools in America are below average?

[bobblehead]

Most disappointing to me is that Burnett looked slow out there. Maybe he's thinking too much but I thought he tested out pretty well athletically at the combine. Thought his college highlight tape showed him high-pointing balls and generally looking like an athlete. He was a step slow all year.

Sounds kinda like Collins right before he broke out. He was a step off and the picks were sneaking through his hands. Although, Collins had broken out by year 4 and was far superior an athlete.

[bobblehead]

I can have one more off-season of patience with Burnett, only because he missed his rookie season.

His career stats after 4 years compared to Collins after 3 years:

Burnett - 49 starts in 49 games; 238 tackles; 22Pdef.; 3 sacks; 6 interceptions; 4 FF.
Collins - 45 starts in 45 games; 168 tackles; 22 Pdef.; 0 sacks; 4 interceptions; 4 FF.

I have heard coaches and evaluators talk about 50 games being necessary for a player to mature. It sure was for Collins, because in games 46 thru 61 he had 15 Pdef and 7 interceptions. It was like flipping a switch for him. Maybe Burnett will do the same for games 50-65 of his career.


Incidently, in Collins third season as a starter, he had only 5 Pdef. and zero interceptions, which is identical to what Burnett accomplished this year, albeit in 16 games while Collins played in 13 his third season. A lot of people were labeling Collins a bust at that point.

Really gotta learn to read the whole thread and then respond.

[KYPack]

A couple unfathomable stats

First time since the 1950's that this postion had zero pix in GB

MD Jennings did NOT have a pass breakup the entire season


ERIC REED and/or MATT Elam would have been nice

I saw that too, B-man.

It was actually way worse than that.

It was the worse season for safeties in Packer history.

They didn't start recording interceptions until 1940.

Don Hutson was a Packer safety until '45 and came close to leading the league in picks several times.

In '52 Bobby Dillon took over and other safeties had multi-interception years in the intervening time.

Burnett, Doc & the boys are the worst safeties in franchise history.

Sheezus.

[Iron Mike]

Imagine being able to out-suck Al Matthews and Jim Hill......