JS- SAFETIES CAUSE PACKERS DEFENSE MORE HARM

[call_me_ishmael]

Patler's post is interesting. To me, Collins looked solid his rookie year, then had some regression, then finally came on. It never seems like Burnett was anything special to me. Nick Collins has obvious physical talents that jumped off the page immediately. I don't think Burnett has those.

I would like to see Dametrius Byrd or whatever his name is. Pay him the 8M a year it will cost, and move on. We have paid Finley this much annually for jack shit production. I'd like an all-pro (who probably didn't have the best talent around him in Buffalo, yet he still shined).

[Bretsky]

We won't go big money on a safety; it's not Ted's way

I will be very happy with a mid tier starter in the 3.5-5MIL Range while Hyde develops. And don't be surprised at all if we do nothing in FA again

[bobblehead]

We won't go big money on a safety; it's not Ted's way

I will be very happy with a mid tier starter in the 3.5-5MIL Range while Hyde develops. And don't be surprised at all if we do nothing in FA again

I'm telling you, this COULD be the year.

[Bretsky]

I'm telling you, this COULD be the year.

Please remind me when it happens you called it all along as you should get major kudos. Are you calling TT gets an elite safety like Byrd or Ward or a mid tier starter ? I'll take either

Even the casua fan can see our cap has many options so we have the ching to do it if we want at the expense of either Jones, Finley, or others.

[bobblehead]

Please remind me when it happens you called it all along as you should get major kudos. Are you calling TT gets an elite safety like Byrd or Ward or a mid tier starter ? I'll take either

Even the casua fan can see our cap has many options so we have the ching to do it if we want at the expense of either Jones, Finley, or others.

I could envision one top tier guy being signed. Not necessarily a safety though. You may hate me for this, but if there is a stud DT 2 gapper, that could be it. If it doesn't happen I will act like I never said a thing.

[Carolina_Packer]

You can and should blame the safety play of 2013, but partial blame should go to the pass rush. How often did the rest of the defense get consistent pressure to help the DB's?

I also blame TT for not trying hard enough to improve the position. Nobody here expects TT to solve the issue via free agency, as that's not his way. We get that. But not one safety drafted, and one college free agent who didn't pass his physical? TT was asleep at the switch. You have to do SOMETHING to try and improve an area that is not yet consistent. They always talk in camp about competition at each position, but what if both guys suck? M.D. Jennings or Jerron McMillian? How about none of the above! I get that McMillian was a 2nd year player coming into 2013 and you had to give him a chance (I guess), and that M.D. Jennings had shown some ball skills the previous year, but comfortable enough to not draft one safety? Even if you whiff on that, at least you tried.

Sometimes you can be too slow to make evaluations (Harrell as backup QB), but what this really points out is that with the "draft/sign (college free agents) and develop" mentality, that it's problem when you whiff on even a 4th round safety like McMillian. You're not going to hit on them all, but if you're going to whiff horribly, as with McMillian, then you need to learn from your mistakes especially when you don't sign veteran free agents. I recall reading a story after McMillian was released saying that nobody else really showed much interest in him when he was coming out. That should tell you something. Can you be the smartest, shrewdest guy in the room sometimes? Yes, but you can also look like you're trying to find gold in a silver mine (apologies to Elton John).

[Bossman641]

Sounds kinda like Collins right before he broke out. He was a step off and the picks were sneaking through his hands. Although, Collins had broken out by year 4 and was far superior an athlete.

Collins was frustrating cause he would be in position to make a pick but he couldn't catch a thing. Burnett didn't seem to even have any chances at a pick this year. I'm certainly not giving up on him but he was a huge disappointment to me this year.

[pbmax]

But here's the problem. On that play he showed he's not physically tough enough to play in the box. One collision with a tough RB knocked him out of the game. And of course, he had already proven over and over again that he is a huge liability in coverage.

I was joking, but yes, you are asking for trouble if he is your SS. He did come back in though.

[pbmax]

You can and should blame the safety play of 2013, but partial blame should go to the pass rush. How often did the rest of the defense get consistent pressure to help the DB's?

I also blame TT for not trying hard enough to improve the position. Nobody here expects TT to solve the issue via free agency, as that's not his way. We get that. But not one safety drafted, and one college free agent who didn't pass his physical? TT was asleep at the switch. You have to do SOMETHING to try and improve an area that is not yet consistent. They always talk in camp about competition at each position, but what if both guys suck? M.D. Jennings or Jerron McMillian? How about none of the above! I get that McMillian was a 2nd year player coming into 2013 and you had to give him a chance (I guess), and that M.D. Jennings had shown some ball skills the previous year, but comfortable enough to not draft one safety? Even if you whiff on that, at least you tried.

Sometimes you can be too slow to make evaluations (Harrell as backup QB), but what this really points out is that with the "draft/sign (college free agents) and develop" mentality, that it's problem when you whiff on even a 4th round safety like McMillian. You're not going to hit on them all, but if you're going to whiff horribly, as with McMillian, then you need to learn from your mistakes especially when you don't sign veteran free agents. I recall reading a story after McMillian was released saying that nobody else really showed much interest in him when he was coming out. That should tell you something. Can you be the smartest, shrewdest guy in the room sometimes? Yes, but you can also look like you're trying to find gold in a silver mine (apologies to Elton John).

Agree here. Obvious they thought one of two or three (McMillan, Jennings, Richardson) would improve. Didn't expect catch less season from Burnett. Should he choose to, you could sign a FA safety for reasonable money more so than problem #2.

Which is pass rush. The most expensive problem to fix in FA. Given the presence of Jones, Daniels, Worth and possibly Neal and Raji, I am not expecting a pass rush signing or draft. It also raises the important question about the fitness of the Packers D lineman for their current assignment; their best pass rushers are not bull rushing the QB (Daniels, Matthews) but getting an edge. That leaves gaps where Kap escapes.

[KYPack]

Imagine being able to out-suck Al Matthews and Jim Hill......

I'd take that pair in their prime over the Doc and Burnett.

I'd say Mark Murphy and Tom Flynn were the worst pairing I've ever seen and Murph had his moments.

Hell, those two managed to pick off 3 between 'em.

Jenning scouldn't even manage ONE pass defended?

You'd think 1 ball would have hit him or something!

[Pugger]

With a decent defense around him, Burnett is much better than Charlie Peprah. Burnett just isn't Collins, and MD Jennings could be replaced by a sack of flour. Doesn't help much that there is a weak pass rush and the ILBs are worthless. They can't even defend a bumblebutt, undrafted free agent like Garrett Celek.

It hasn't helped that the last couple of drafts have been thin with safeties and I fear this year isn't going to be much better so TT may have to hold his nose and look into FA.

[mraynrand]

It also raises the important question about the fitness of the Packers D lineman for their current assignment; their best pass rushers are not bull rushing the QB (Daniels, Matthews) but getting an edge. That leaves gaps where Kap escapes.

Thank god we have Hawk in there to not stop those scrambles. But at least he's more of an impact player than Vernon Davis.

[pbmax]

Thank god we have Hawk in there to not stop those scrambles. But at least he's more of an impact player than Vernon Davis.

I thought this problem was on its way to solved with Brad and Datone Jones in there. Datone caught CK in the first game and I nearly fell off the couch. If he can do that, help cover Daniels, it could work.

B Jones has the speed, CK wouldn't have gotten to the sideline with Jones in pursuit, but he has to keep his job after being unreliable on 1st and 2nd downs.

[mission]

I like Eric Reid and some of the others, but it's a bit ironic that Elam and another guy (Cyprien) mentioned in the article had a combined 9 pass breakups and 2 interceptions (which is pretty pathetic in its own right). The article states showed how pathetic our safety play was and that the Packers passed on those guys, but they didn't make many big plays either.

Have you watched Elam play? He's constantly making plays and one of the surest tacklers on that team. Saw him drive on a run play from maybe 15 yards deep in the secondary to make a tackle behind the LOS. Haven't seen any of our guys do that.

[woodbuck27]

Did you know that half the schools in America are below average?

The standard and results of Education in North America as a whole and compared elsewhere is appalling last time I checked.

I was once heavily involved in all levels of politics. I decided on a change in that regard. I decided to stay out of that arena because it piss's me off to no end. I can't deal well at all with back stabbing pathetic liers.

I observe a serious decline in the status of my society as a whole in terms of a lack of attention to getting a serious education. I was once an educator and I educate myself practically every single day.

I always hunger or want to learn until my last breath.

Do you often turn to your wife...your best Bud's ..your family and closest acquaintances and shout out:

This country is really on top of it?

I doubt that you do. I doubt that's the case and at the same time lay any claim to a position of any real awareness and simple personal integrity.

I very much doubt that's the case and if it is.

Maybe? ......... Think ............ ??