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  • #31
    BJ Raji wants his BEST DEAL. He believes he'll shine on a team with a scheme that is waiting for his competence / SKILLS.

    It might look like he's a fool to many. He's rejected to date, a solid $8 million Per year offer. He's not happy with how he's utilized in th Packers 'D'. He likely feels like he's being wasted and to some extent to that being the TRUTH. Raji is justified in my view to feel that way.

    I'll be very surprized, if Ted Thompson turns BJ Raji, all the way back before FA to the Green Bay Packers. it's clear that Raji wants to and will test the FA market. That the present situation and Dom capers and defense and Green Bay Packers doesn't fit to him. He also might have his head a wee bit to high in his clouds and more money than TT's $8 million$ offer.

    Some FA experts are predicting a suppressed market in terms of Raji's position and skill set in the order of , TT's NOT ungenerous offer to Raji.

    It looks to me like he's gone as it's stood (presently standing) and MM and Dom Capers and NO talk as yet and a switch to a 4-3 Base DEFENSE.

    TT can turn that back to all the time spent on Raji's development and invested Draft status.

    Some here have suggested that TT TAG BJ Raji. Franchise Tagging Raji sn't an option.

    A move in that direction would cost the Packers CAP for 2014 > that the $8 million$ offer....rejected by BJ Ragi. TT should re-affirm an offer to Raji and see if any other team match's that. TT best chance to retain Raji is of course an enhaced offer but that would be flat out silly.

    Packer nation can see Packer games. Packer nation is certainly ready to move forward without Raji. Packer nation has simply to check all that and again this:

    BJ Raji has been used "out of position". Misused...in the wrong Base 'D' to match up with the present Green Bay Packer Roster.

    FRANKLT...I'm very concerned as to why!? Ted Thompson has allowed MM to have his way and Dom Capers and the Dom Capers "missing badly" defense. I'm so often shaking my head over that because it's so in our Packerrat mugs.

    A continuing >>>continuing >>>Ever Onward >>>SLAP in the face.

    Should TT just "cold cock" let completely go of BJ Raji?

    Raji has the youth going for him and the more competence / talent if moved to "Nose Tackle" He wants to be a STAR player. He wants to get SACK's and make the Weekly Highlight Reels"! He knows that he can't do that playing 3-Tech. He's a former proven force as the Packers NT.

    You know that he can't cut it playing 3-Teck DE. Raji's obvious BEST position is to be moved to where Ryan Pickett was in 2013 or Nose Tackle. That makes Ryan Picket expendable except for a condition of accepting less $$money$ as his assignments will more than likely decrease in 2014. It's now come to at best a year to year contract with the Packers.

    BJ Raji may be convinced to stay and promised he's going to be switched to where he's proven most effective or Nose Tackle ... in to best utilization the present Packer Roster ...a 4-3 Base Defense.

    If Ted Thompson secures BJ Raji, at a base contract offer < $ 8 million$ /year CAP hit and possibly with PERFORMANCE BONUS's.

    Ted Thompson simply then targets a 3-Teck for the DL in the upcoming draft.

    I believe like other Packer UFA's. BJ Raji will hit the market and attempt to exploit his self perceived potential and value to another NFL organization. Again.... If TT forces the switch to a 4-3 Base 'D'; that decisive move, goes furthest to avoiding the loss of BJ Raji.

    Present NT Ryan Pickett has to come back at less cost to the CAP. His age is a factor. His attitude and leadership isn't. You have to like Ryan Pickett "a Terrific FREE AGENT acquisition". A Packer now that desires to retire as a Green Bay Packer as is his stated desire in this past year in a conversation with JS Sports writer Bob McGinn.

    I hope that DE Johnny Jolly gets reliably repaired. An operation is, as my understanding goes, likely the order for his day. The damage is to the c-5 vertebrae and not as severe in terms of playing football as Nick Collin's and now TE Jermichael Finley's spinal injury was or between the c-3 and c-4 vertebrae.

    GO PACKERS...GO PACK GO.

    DID YOU VOTE FOR Eddie Lacy ... multiple times ...today?

    Yesterday?

    The day before yesterday?
    Last edited by woodbuck27; 01-16-2014, 12:34 PM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      That no doubt has caused some of his problems. And having Cobb for returns helped quite a bit after Slocum's slow start. But remember JSO had another ST coach say the Packers were trying some novel and occasionally unsound things in his first year.

      Its such a mess to figure out why ST's struggle Many good teams have terrible special teams and the reverse is often true. But even with injuries, is the roster talented enough to be average at ST (same question with defense I guess)? I say yes.

      Capers has a track record outside of the Packer roster, Slocum does not.
      I think they'll keep Slocum. I think it's easy to underestimate how much injuries impact ST. Maybe he's covering asses, but based on McCarthy's pressers, it's a big deal. I also think roster decisions impact ST -- some teams have people specifically for ST (Kasim Osgood does not play WR for SF, but he's listed as one). Normally Bush is the closest thing to that, but even he got meaningful snaps this year. I think TT and M3 make roster decisions with other priorities in mind and leave the leftovers to ST. With that strategy and with the injuries, they will really struggle to be above average. Agree that "average" is possible, but they don't have a KR on the roster outside of Cobb.

      Also -- GB faces Patterson (Harvin before that) and Hester 2x each a year...that's not gonna do their numbers any favors.

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      • #33
        Just this last thing I want to offer Packerrats;

        My recommendation offers what my analysis says is the best approach towards getting the BEST possible RESULTS for Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy and the entire Green Bay Packer Organization.

        Watching BJ struggle at 3 - Tech in a sometimes 3 - 4 Base 'D'; so often, as Wist43 points out, a 2-4-5 Base 'D'.

        Should prove that . Packer Nation sure has seen the drop off the ledge not getting it done BJ Raji this season. Check that out ! It appears to me that Packerrats is "far less a BUZZ and the failing more Packer Defense" and "ST's Results" and even "a player like BJ Raji"; than I'm generally discovering in the odd excursions into other Packer fan territory.

        I sense that, in more conservative Packer fan attitudes. That any critique of TT or MM arrives in a defensive posture (by posters) of that critique.

        Their feeling that any critique is an obvious call for TT's or MM's head on a stick.

        That a critique is the equivalent of shouts or demands for:

        FIRING Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. NO! NO !! No way !!!

        Please stay calm and think and try to SEE.

        Getting all emotionally bent out of shape; over reacting to clear thinking and analysis of what Ted Thompson might do to steer his ship on a TRUER " perceived " COURSE.

        Is nonsense personified.

        Such reactions merely get in the way of us all growing here @ Packerrats as "stronger' Packer fans. Such reactions as I see them make me shake my head to ...laugh ...in order to cope with them.

        As I've always tried hard to best understand things...such attitudes are counter productive too severely unproductive.

        GO PACK GO !
        Last edited by woodbuck27; 01-16-2014, 02:35 PM.
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        ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
        ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
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        • #34
          Originally posted by woodbuck27 View Post
          Just this last thing I want to offer Packerrats;
          Liar.
          All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig View Post
            Liar.
            Got me.

            quia ego tristis erroris mei.

            I am sad for my error.
            ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
            ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
            ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
              According to Football Outsiders, the Packers Special teams have had the following ranks:

              2010: 26th
              2011: 8th
              2012: 18th
              2013: 19th

              This does lend some credence to the argument that ST are the area most impacted by an injury plagued year. Could it be that Slocum isn't that bad?

              I posted this here because I can't post it in the Fire Slocum thread.
              Where do coverage units rank ? If you are bringing stats to the table to keep that chump....I say Fire da Mailman !!
              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Bretsky View Post
                Where do coverage units rank ? If you are bringing stats to the table to keep that chump....I say Fire da Mailman !!
                yup, i'd say those rankings are greatly skewed by having an awesome punter and a damn good kicker

                return and coverage teams are what has been so horrible

                so can probably count the number of kickoff returns we brought out past the 20 on one hand

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by red View Post
                  yup, i'd say those rankings are greatly skewed by having an awesome punter and a damn good kicker

                  return and coverage teams are what has been so horrible

                  so can probably count the number of kickoff returns we brought out past the 20 on one hand
                  Their formula takes into account return and coverage teams. In 2013 Packers kick coverage teams were 27th and kick return teams were 30th. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst In 2011, they were 15th and 7th. I'm not advocating keeping Slocum based on those stats. But again, I do think there's some evidence that getting inundated by injuries does affect the play of the coverage and return teams.
                  I can't run no more
                  With that lawless crowd
                  While the killers in high places
                  Say their prayers out loud
                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                  A thundercloud
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                    Their formula takes into account return and coverage teams. In 2013 Packers kick coverage teams were 27th and kick return teams were 30th. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst In 2011, they were 15th and 7th. I'm not advocating keeping Slocum based on those stats. But again, I do think there's some evidence that getting inundated by injuries does affect the play of the coverage and return teams.
                    That's what MM will deem his reason for NOT letting Shawn Slocum go.

                    The Packers BRASS can always play the too many injuries card.

                    It's their "Get Out Of Jail FREE Card."

                    Excessive injuries is both BAD and GOOD.
                    ** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
                    ** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
                    ** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                      Its not kiddie porn or anything illegal...of course running for office is out now because the democrat controlled NSA monitors conservative posters like Rand.
                      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by red View Post
                        yup, i'd say those rankings are greatly skewed by having an awesome punter and a damn good kicker

                        return and coverage teams are what has been so horrible

                        so can probably count the number of kickoff returns we brought out past the 20 on one hand
                        Since we can't play D and we can't cover ST, you think something fundamental about the way we practice is about? I mean, tackling, taking on blockers, is it a coincidence the starters on D and the ST guys suck at it?
                        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                          Since we can't play D and we can't cover ST, you think something fundamental about the way we practice is about? I mean, tackling, taking on blockers, is it a coincidence the starters on D and the ST guys suck at it?
                          I don't know. Do the Packers practice differently than other teams? You can only have 1 padded practice a week during the regular season.
                          I can't run no more
                          With that lawless crowd
                          While the killers in high places
                          Say their prayers out loud
                          But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                          A thundercloud
                          They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                          • #43
                            Maybe they can go rogue and conduct secret midnight practices in which the players tackle, tackle, tackle. Pay them under the table. Get all New England on everyone else in the league.
                            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                            KYPack

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Fritz View Post
                              Maybe they can go rogue and conduct secret midnight practices in which the players tackle, tackle, tackle. Pay them under the table. Get all New England on everyone else in the league.
                              there will always be someone filming from the rafters
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                                I don't know. Do the Packers practice differently than other teams? You can only have 1 padded practice a week during the regular season.
                                Some coaches push the rules to the edge and some don't even approach the minimum. A team like the packers that relies on youth so much is hurt more by the limited amount you can do as well.

                                Also, just cuz you can't use pads doesn't mean you can't run full speed drills without contact so players have to react faster and think in real game terms. I also wonder if you can keep guys on the practice field (unpadded) for extra hours. Is there a limit on hours as well?
                                The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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