Who Should TT Pick In 1st Round? - Pre-Senior Bowl Edition

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Plus there's the whole Jerry Jones factor...maybe he'll just go with the highest rated player with the best measurables.

I think Jones is underrated as a NFL draft personnel guy. I think he has trained himself pretty well. Look at their backup pick of Frederick at Center last year. Everyone thought you could trade down and grab him as he was tagged as a 3rd Rounder in some places, but he played like a 1st/top 2nd round pick. Jones might not be Wolf, but the Cowboys have talent. He is better than the Dolphins or Jags at this.

Where he is still terrible is as Team President. Bad coaching hires, hiring more coaches to cover for the deficiencies of the current coaches. Overlapping responsibility. Changing horses on D after drafting for a 3-4 for the last new guy on D and then denying that was true. Then insisting in the middle of the calamity that followed that your Tampa 2 D play more man coverage to match personnel.

Jerry the GM/Owner should fire the Team President and let his son advance and pick the new coach. Then the GM can tailor what he is doing to new staff.

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Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 1h
With Pryor and Clinton-Dix running 4.58s, not sure either one is a lock if there for #Packers at No. 21. M. Burnett ran 4.51, Collins, 4.36.

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Where he is still terrible is as Team President. Bad coaching hires, hiring more coaches to cover for the deficiencies of the current coaches. Overlapping responsibility..

wait, this sounds a bit familiar

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Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 1h
With Pryor and Clinton-Dix running 4.58s, not sure either one is a lock if there for #Packers at No. 21. M. Burnett ran 4.51, Collins, 4.36.

whats toms point here? is he trying to say 40time=how good they guy is

because i don't care if burnett ran a 3.51, he just fucking sucks, and not only will both dix and pryor both probably be better then our #2 saftey, but they'll probably both also be light years better then burnett

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whats toms point here? is he trying to say 40time=how good they guy is

because i don't care if burnett ran a 3.51, he just fucking sucks, and not only will both dix and pryor both probably be better then our #2 saftey, but they'll probably both also be light years better then burnett

Ted is the type (Lurker used to point this out when Waldo wasn't) that has a physical type. And a 4.5 safety may not be in his wheelhouse in the first round. I think that is a fair bet.

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Ted is the type (Lurker used to point this out when Waldo wasn't) that has a physical type. And a 4.5 safety may not be in his wheelhouse in the first round. I think that is a fair bet.

You might be onto something here, especially if people fall in love with HaHa and Pryor (which is likely) and there are better values at 21. I think HaHa will be gone by 21, especially looking at where Barron, Vaccaro and Reid have gone in prior drafts.
Most don't think Mosley will be there at 21, now I'm reading otherwise. Would you take him over Pryor? What about Louis Nix? That Terrence Brooks kid from FSU ran a 4.42 and while he's a little short he's played both CB and FS and will be there in R2 and maybe after that. TT isn't going to lock onto a specific player, and so many variables between now and when they are on the clock. I do think he'll address the safety spot big time, Jennings not being tendered and McCarthy mentioning the possibility of Hyde moving to Safety are the first dominoes.

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Nix does just not look that special to these old eyes.

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You might be onto something here, especially if people fall in love with HaHa and Pryor (which is likely) and there are better values at 21. I think HaHa will be gone by 21, especially looking at where Barron, Vaccaro and Reid have gone in prior drafts.
Most don't think Mosley will be there at 21, now I'm reading otherwise. Would you take him over Pryor? What about Louis Nix? That Terrence Brooks kid from FSU ran a 4.42 and while he's a little short he's played both CB and FS and will be there in R2 and maybe after that. TT isn't going to lock onto a specific player, and so many variables between now and when they are on the clock. I do think he'll address the safety spot big time, Jennings not being tendered and McCarthy mentioning the possibility of Hyde moving to Safety are the first dominoes.

I don't know much about the others, my capacity to understand football, such as it is normally, fails utterly to explain why some college guys make good pros and others don't. so I don't do much scouting or draft prognostication. That video wist posted about Hageman versus the Badgers was the first scouting tape I have looked at since Jordy versus Talib.

But I do keep tabs on Ted and despite my initial reluctance to buy it, both Lurker and Waldo made excellent points years ago about Ted not usually varying the physical profile he is looking for. Not in the first 3 or 4 rounds anyway. Everyone talks about the Hawk pick and Ted's comments that he was obviously a football player through and through. But Hawk also posted remarkable numbers to back up his film.

So if there is a fast, big enough, former CB in the second round who profiles as a better physical match for FS, my initial reaction would be to think Ted is more likely to do that in the 2nd round than a slower than ideal Safety in the first. Certainly so, if he would have to trade up to get them in the first.

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Would TT ever take a Safety in the 1st round? I mean other than a guy who runs a 4.30 forty, has great fluidity and hits like a Sherman tank? If Collins wasn't a 1st round pick, and guys like HaHa and Pryor aren't 1st round picks, what would it take?

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Would TT ever take a Safety in the 1st round? I mean other than a guy who runs a 4.30 forty, has great fluidity and hits like a Sherman tank? If Collins wasn't a 1st round pick, and guys like HaHa and Pryor aren't 1st round picks, what would it take?

Of course he would, if he thought the guy was the best player on the board. If it were close between a safety and a lineman, he might prefer the big body.

The key to the first round pick, as PB alluded to briefly, is what Ted knows about other players that we don't. He might have some kid from Central Northeast Wyoming State in his back pocket, some kid with 4.3 speed who is a converted wide receiver and missed the last third of his senior season due to mono. Ted will pass on HaHa and Pryor, we'll all scream bloody murder (me included), and in the fourth round we'll all scream again when Ted takes the Wyoming kid.

Who will either turn into Nick Collins or Jerron McMillan.

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The key to the first round pick, as PB alluded to briefly, is what Ted knows about other players that we don't. He might have some kid from Central Northeast Wyoming State in his back pocket, some kid with 4.3 speed who is a converted wide receiver and missed the last third of his senior season due to mono. Ted will pass on HaHa and Pryor, we'll all scream bloody murder (me included), and in the fourth round we'll all scream again when Ted takes the Wyoming kid.

Never forget the Colorado School of Mines. Don't sleep on a Miner.

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Justin Gilbert for FS!

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Would TT ever take a Safety in the 1st round? I mean other than a guy who runs a 4.30 forty, has great fluidity and hits like a Sherman tank? If Collins wasn't a 1st round pick, and guys like HaHa and Pryor aren't 1st round picks, what would it take?

well, a lot of people thought we shouls have taken a safety in the first last year, two were available (elam, vacarro). tt didn't like either, whether they didn't fit his mold, or there was something else he didn't like about them

both would have been massive upgrades to either of our starting safeties last year

TT's taken a bit of flack for that. maybe that forces him to change his thinking and actually do everything he can to fix the biggest hole on the team

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Ted is the type (Lurker used to point this out when Waldo wasn't) that has a physical type. And a 4.5 safety may not be in his wheelhouse in the first round. I think that is a fair bet.

Ted has certainly shown that he values size/speed combo in his safeties quite a bit more than anyone else. In his very first draft Nick Collins and Marviel Underwood were both considered big reaches by 2 or 3 rounds. Same goes for Jerron McMillan. Burnett is an outstanding size/speed combo as well with some other elite traits and Ted liked him enough to trade up for him. Aaron Rouse was nothing but a size/speed combo, as was Sean Richardson.

Only thing I can say here is that the only real smoking fast 4.30 type safeties he's drafted were Collins and McMillan, both of whom were extreme small school guys. Perhaps the theory is that if you intend to throw a guy with questionable experience into the fire, it helps mask his mistakes if he's the fastest one on the field. You know, the Sam Shields theory. This is the same Ted that brought in Atari Bigby and even spent money on Charley Peprah who were both so slow they were only rosterable because of their instincts.

I don't think Ted would get too hung up on the numbers, even in the first round with a guy who consistently makes good decisive decisions.

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well, a lot of people thought we shouls have taken a safety in the first last year, two were available (elam, vacarro). tt didn't like either, whether they didn't fit his mold, or there was something else he didn't like about them

both would have been massive upgrades to either of our starting safeties last year

TT's taken a bit of flack for that. maybe that forces him to change his thinking and actually do everything he can to fix the biggest hole on the team

That can't be right. You thinking of that Cyprien guy who went to Jacksonville?