Former Packers still pursuing the dream

[bobblehead]

That kid was unreal. He had some speed and strength, but what a case of arrested development. He went from splitting time in base, to nickel, to dime, to ST, to inactive, to cut.

He has some physical skills, maybe some time and the right coach would make him an NFL player. He ain't one right now.

I heard Slocum took him under his wing early...just sayin'

[bobblehead]

Something tells me it's not the coaches, it's the players. Ted Thompson has been GM for almost a decade and he has not yet found a competent replacement for pretty boy Darren Sharper.
.

Ummm....Nick Collins?

[Rodgers12]

Ummm....Nick Collins?

Collins was Butler's replacement.

[bobblehead]

Collins was Butler's replacement.

So the real conclusion is that Sherman never replaced Butler and TT was left cleaning up his mess.

[Rodgers12]

So the real conclusion is that Sherman never replaced Butler and TT was left cleaning up his mess.

And in the process of cleaning up said mess, Thompson made and continues to make even a bigger mess.

[woodbuck27]

And in the process of cleaning up said mess, Thompson made and continues to make even a bigger mess.

and....... That's because...............................Ted's Mother........... always................ (You've got it).

[pbmax]

Collins was Butler's replacement.

This argument is like a 3 card monte game.

Sharper did not have a great running mate after Butler was gone.

Collins at least had complementary piece Charlie Peprah next to him. Peprah was no Pro Bowl talent, but he did a job and usually did it well even if he could get into trouble in space. Who woulda ever thunk we would miss Pep?

[Patler]

Without the freakish play ending Collin's career, we would not be critical of the safeties. We likely would all agree that TT had done his job well finding long term starters in Collins and Burnett and effective shorter term players in Peprah, Bigby, etc. TT came to GB with Sharper an immediate cap casualty, so he needed two starters immediately, then he lost the best one he had found.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I expect the subject ex-Packers to be all-Pro's in the next 2-3 years.

[pbmax]

I expect the subject ex-Packers to be all-Pro's in the next 2-3 years.

Good subject. Who are the best players to leave, not by monster FA deal the Packers were unwilling to match, but because they did not perform at an adequate level to maintain their roster spot? And then went on to bigger success.

Let's limit it to players under McCarthy's current coaches and acquired by Thompson.

Of the top of my head (OK, that quickly became a lie, after only thinking of 10, I went to the Packer Historical Roster for help):

"Allen, Jake"		WR
"Barbre, Allen"		G/T
"Barnett, Nick"		LB
"Bell, Josh"		CB
"Benson, Cedric"	RB
"Bigby, Atari"		S
"Bishop, Desmond"	LB
"Blackmon, Will"	CB
"Bodiford, Shaun"	WR
"Bolston, Conrad"	DT
"Briggs, Diyral"	LB
"Chillar, Brandon"	LB
"Clifton, Chad"		T
"Cole, Colin"		DT
"Colledge, Daryn"	G/T
"Collins, Nick"		S
"Coston, Junius"	T/G
"Crabtree, Tom"		TE
"Davis, Rob"		LS
"Driver, Donald"	WR
"Ealy, Biren"		WR
"Favre, Brett"		QB
"Ford, Trevor"		CB
"Francies, Chris"	WR
"Franks, Bubba"		TE
"Frost, Derrick"	P
"Gbaja-Biamila, Kabeer"	DE
"Giacomini, Breno"	T
"Giordano, Matt"	S
"Gordy, Josh"		CB
"Grant, Ryan"		RB
"Green, Ahman"		RB
"Green, Alex"		RB
"Green, Howard"		NT
"Hall, Korey"		FB
"Harrell, Graham"	QB
"Harrell, Justin"	DT
"Harris, Al"		CB
"Havner, Spencer"	TE/LB
"Holiday, Carlyle"	WR
"Humphrey, Tory"	TE
"Hunter, Jason"		DE
"Jenkins, Cullen"	DT/DE
"Jennings, Greg"	WR
"Johnson, Quinn"	FB
"Kampman, Aaron"	DE/LB
"Kapinos, Jeremy"	P
"Krause, Ryan"		TE
"Lansanah, Danny"	LB
"Lee, Donald"		TE
"Lee, Pat"		CB
"Lumpkin, Kregg"	RB
"Malone, Alfred"	DT
"Manning, Terrell"	LB
"Martin, Derrick"	S
"Martin, Ruvell"	WR
"McMillian, Jerron"	S
"Merling, Phillip"	DE
"Miller, Jordan"	DT
"Moll, Tony"		T/G
"Montgomery, Michael"	DE
"Morency, Vernand"	RB
"Moses, Dezman"		LB
"Muir, Daniel"		DT
"Nall, Craig"		QB
"Nance, Dimitri"	RB
"Obiozor, Cyril"	LB
"Palmer, Tony"		G
"Peprah, Charlie"	S
"Pettway, Kenny"	DE
"Poppinga, Brady"	LB
"Porter, Joe"		CB
"Robinson, Koren"	WR
"Ross, Jeremy"		WR
"Rouse, Aaron"		S
"Ryan, Jon"		P
"Saine, Brandon"	RB
"Saturday, Jeff"	C
"Simpkins, Maurice"	LB
"Smith, Anthony"	S
"Smith, D.J."		LB
"So'oto, Vic"		LB
"Spitz, Jason"		G/C
"Swain, Brett"		WR
"Tauscher, Mark"	T/G
"Thompson, Jeremy"	DE/LB
"Toribio, Anthony"	NT
"Underwood, Brandon"	CB
"Walden, Erik"		LB
"Walker, Frank"		CB
"Wells, Scott"		C/G
"White, Johnny"		RB
"White, Tracy"		LB
"Wilhelm, Matt"		LB
"Williams, Corey"	DT/DE
"Williams, D.J."	LB
"Woodson, Charles"	CB
"Wynn, DeShawn"		RB
"Wynn, Jarius"		DE
"Zombo, Frank"		LB

[pbmax]

I am leaving Favre out because his replacement was on the roster and it was obvious the wanted to move on, retirement, contract or not. But if you include him, I think the move nets positive for Packers.

Here are those who went on to be starters at least: Giacomini, Woodson, Tracy White (starter at least on Philly ST), Scott Wells, Frank Walker (nickel), Erik Walden, Anthony Smith (got a start somewhere), Jon Ryan, Aaron Rouse, Poppinga, Muir, Moll (started as backup to injured), Ruvell, Lumpkin, Kampman, Quinn Johnson, Jennings, Jenkins, Havner, Harris, Ahman Green, Crabtree, Colledge, Cole, Blackmon, Bishop, Barnett.

Remove from consideration those who were not retained because of contract/cap value/FA but would have been retained otherwise: Woodson, Scott Wells, Erik Walden, Kampman, Jennings, Colledge (did he get an offer from the Pack?).

Cut because they were judged didn't fit or couldn't play or not worth roster spot: Giacomini, Tracy White, Frank Walker, Anthony Smith, Jon Ryan, Aaron Rouse, Brady Poppinga, Daniel Muir, Tony Moll, Ruvell Martin, Kregg Lumpkin, Quinn Johnson, Cullen Jenkins (have heard both be was offered deal/was in plans but also was not given option to stay), Spencer Havner, Al Harris, Ahman Green, Tom Crabtree, Colin Cole, Will Blackmon, Desmond Bishop and Nick Barnett.


What do you think? Regrets? Jenkins, Ryan, maybe Giacomini though he is on list to get replaced by Seahawks), Tracy White still hasn't been replaced, Muir started for Colts on some pretty average defenses. Bishop still had gas in tank but hurt, maybe Barnett?

[mraynrand]

Did Thompson get rid of the fullback who played for the Ravens and Texans? That guy did very well.

Favre, College, Jenkins, Ryan. Maybe only Jenkins is the true regret. I have no regrets about Favre:

[bobblehead]

This argument is like a 3 card monte game.

Sharper did not have a great running mate after Butler was gone.

Collins at least had complementary piece Charlie Peprah next to him. Peprah was no Pro Bowl talent, but he did a job and usually did it well even if he could get into trouble in space. Who woulda ever thunk we would miss Pep?

If anyone is a crackerjack researcher at bumping threads I did. I was amiss at everyone begging to replace him after the superbowl. Was he a stud...hell no, but we had studs (until collins went snap)

[bobblehead]

I am leaving Favre out because his replacement was on the roster and it was obvious the wanted to move on, retirement, contract or not. But if you include him, I think the move nets positive for Packers.

Here are those who went on to be starters at least: Giacomini, Woodson, Tracy White (starter at least on Philly ST), Scott Wells, Frank Walker (nickel), Erik Walden, Anthony Smith (got a start somewhere), Jon Ryan, Aaron Rouse, Poppinga, Muir, Moll (started as backup to injured), Ruvell, Lumpkin, Kampman, Quinn Johnson, Jennings, Jenkins, Havner, Harris, Ahman Green, Crabtree, Colledge, Cole, Blackmon, Bishop, Barnett.

Remove from consideration those who were not retained because of contract/cap value/FA but would have been retained otherwise: Woodson, Scott Wells, Erik Walden, Kampman, Jennings, Colledge (did he get an offer from the Pack?).

Cut because they were judged didn't fit or couldn't play or not worth roster spot: Giacomini, Tracy White, Frank Walker, Anthony Smith, Jon Ryan, Aaron Rouse, Brady Poppinga, Daniel Muir, Tony Moll, Ruvell Martin, Kregg Lumpkin, Quinn Johnson, Cullen Jenkins (have heard both be was offered deal/was in plans but also was not given option to stay), Spencer Havner, Al Harris, Ahman Green, Tom Crabtree, Colin Cole, Will Blackmon, Desmond Bishop and Nick Barnett.


What do you think? Regrets? Jenkins, Ryan, maybe Giacomini though he is on list to get replaced by Seahawks), Tracy White still hasn't been replaced, Muir started for Colts on some pretty average defenses. Bishop still had gas in tank but hurt, maybe Barnett?

Ryans took a minute to replace. We missed him, but not anymore. I miss wells even though he has been hurt without our bang up training staff. College was reliably average.

I would say that I may have preferred paying/hanging on to a couple guys on that list, but none of them change much.

[Guiness]

Ryans took a minute to replace.

A LOT longer than that.

Getting rid of Ryan hurt the Pack quite a bit for 2 seasons. Frost and Kapinos were just this side of train wrecks. They were damn lucky when they finally found another ginger that came in and played well right away.

I know most will say it's only a punter, I'd say Ryan is biggest loss if you look at a player with a long future who has consistently played well.

Most of the others players, honestly, were borderline players, or the replacement was on the roster. Scott Wells is probably an exception.

aside: Will Blackmon got to start somewhere? Pity that team...