Classic McGinn--JS---"Packers should take Page out of Broncos Book"

[Bretsky]

Sorry man but Burnett blows. Total disappointment....even more than Brad Jones and that's saying something. We need two new guys back there.

OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Burnett has some pretty good talent; that's more than Just a Guy can say

[woodbuck27]

I have 2 things to say....dammit, this post was under 8 lines so I read it. And:

Which 5 teams in the NFL have been more successful than the packers during TT and MM's tenure? I mean, if they are so wrong, and its so obvious, there must be at least 20, I only ask you to name 5.

Look at the record in the playoff's since the post 2010 Season Super Bowl win; or playoff's 2011-13.

Is that record commendable?

[Patler]

Look at the record in the playoff's since the post 2010 Season Super Bowl win; or playoff's 2011-13.

Is that record commendable?

Good Morning Woody;

Of course, you could also ask how many teams have actually made the playoffs each of the last four years, 2010 to 2013.

[Joemailman]

Woody would never ask that. It's not conducive to bashing TT and MM.

[pbmax]

I'm not that bearish on Burnett; I think he has a lot of talent. But dude needs a VET to direct him back there. Listed to a great interview with Leroy Butler.
He discussed the great impact Robinson had on him as a young player. Then he noted Burnett needs that. I really agree.
Look back at the Chicago Game. He made an incredible play to break up a touchdown
Then later that game he forgot his assignment and his mental lapse resulted in a Bears TD. We need a good vet player back there to just allow him to play w/o thinking IMO

I don't think he is beyond salvage. He never seemed to have this many problems and his hands never seemed to be made of stone. What I suspect a lot of the trouble is over commitment to help. Every player, certainly in the secondary has a primary responsibility and secondary ones. This is obvious on a read option or play action pass, but its true on about any pass plays.

My suspicion is that part of this problem is in order to combat breakdowns elsewhere, players have taken it upon themselves to assist others more than normal. This can divide attention and put players out of position even when they know where they should be.

This doesn't explain the talent gaps at certain spots, but it does explain the level of play by vets like Burnett, Hawk and say Raji, who is often just trying to make a play by jetting up field to penetrate and disrupt plays.

So veteran or no, competent play from their compatriots will make each of those young vets better because they will have less to do.

[bobblehead]

If there is one thing I think nearly all of us agree on it can be summarized as follows:

DEAR TED

Get off your ass in Free Agency and go sign a legitimate f'ckin starting safety because you have failed to address that spot

this is where I want tt to do his biggest deal since Woodson. It is the one area he can make the most marked improvement. Going from complete crap to stud with the stroke of 9Mil a year.

[bobblehead]

Look at the record in the playoff's since the post 2010 Season Super Bowl win; or playoff's 2011-13.

Is that record commendable?

I note that you failed to answer my question. Since you narrow it to 2011-2013 and negate the superbowl victory in your critique, I will ask it simpler. Which 5 teams would you rather have in that time frame?

[ThunderDan]

I have forever given TT praise for Wooson and Pickett
I give Schneider a ton of credit for all of the moves he's made ..even since last year

When TT made his splash this team seemed like they really needed...desperately...an infusion of talent.

I looked at Seattle as being on the brink last year...needing some short term help if they decided to go for it. And Seattle Went all in.

I think Ron Wolf made several attempts to roll the dice and go all in as well; I view Scheider the same way. IMO TT really takes a more conservative route. Ha e's never do what Denver did. IT's not in his blood to bring in guys..typically...like Michael Bennett....Elvis Dumerville....John Abrahson...for instance. I think those are the guys Ron Wolf was constantly looking for. Never afraid to strike out...but he was alwasy swinging at differnt pitches

Your points regarding how it's hard to compare Wolf to anything because he was in a non cap era is very valid though

I am trying to figure out how Seattle went all-in.

I don't think they did and could be more selective in their moves because of the cap space and young roster. What I am interest in is what track they will take once they have to pay their guys that are on rookie contracts.

The big move I remember them making was the Percy Harvin signing and this year the $10M doesn't look well spent.

[Rutnstrut]

"denver goes out and gets nfl vets for dirt cheap and signs them to one year deals to be backups.

Vets, backups, free agents, now your just talking silly. If it isn't draft and develop, or undrafted free agent there's no use for them in Green Bay.

[mraynrand]

"denver goes out and gets nfl vets for dirt cheap and signs them to one year deals to be backups. Vets, backups, free agents, now your just talking silly. If it isn't draft and develop, or undrafted free agent there's no use for them in Green Bay.

We all know you think the Packers should have signed up some cheap vets to fill holes. Anything else to add?

[pbmax]

"denver goes out and gets nfl vets for dirt cheap and signs them to one year deals to be backups.

Vets, backups, free agents, now your just talking silly. If it isn't draft and develop, or undrafted free agent there's no use for them in Green Bay.

You have made very good points before and its clear you are not alone on this topic. Instead of complaining, tell us how things should be different. Not everyone will agree, but its clear you did not expect this level of support. Make that case. Stop telling the other side they are muddled thinkers.

[Bretsky]

I am trying to figure out how Seattle went all-in.

I don't think they did and could be more selective in their moves because of the cap space and young roster. What I am interest in is what track they will take once they have to pay their guys that are on rookie contracts.

The big move I remember them making was the Percy Harvin signing and this year the $10M doesn't look well spent.

Without even thinking about it or looking at their roster I think of adding Avril, Bennett, and trading for Harvin to shore up needs that they clearly thought they had

[Rutnstrut]

You have made very good points before and its clear you are not alone on this topic. Instead of complaining, tell us how things should be different. Not everyone will agree, but its clear you did not expect this level of support. Make that case. Stop telling the other side they are muddled thinkers.

That makes sense pb, as players that I think will help the team become free agents, I'll start a thread on them stating why I am lobbying for them. In short, I really think a different D coord would help, I also think someone needs to take the play calling responsibilities away from stubby.

[Patler]

"denver goes out and gets nfl vets for dirt cheap and signs them to one year deals to be backups.

Vets, backups, free agents, now your just talking silly. If it isn't draft and develop, or undrafted free agent there's no use for them in Green Bay.

In 2012 GB did exactly what Denver did for two positions, center and RB, only to be starter, not backups. The tried desperately to do that at DL bringing in Hargrove, Muir and Merling. It didn't work out so well at any of the three positions.

This year they did it at QB three times with Young, Wallace and Flynn. In effect, they did it at DL with Jolly. The tried to do it at TE with Mulligan.

Perhaps they should have done it at safety either or both years, but they did have a relatively high draft pick in MacMillian who just didn't pan out. Perhaps their biggest mistake was when they released him and didn't find someone better to replace him with.

[Patler]

I also think someone needs to take the play calling responsibilities away from stubby.

That is something I continually wondered about this year. For a few years the Packers were fantastic in the redzone. It seemed less sharp in 2012, then this year was poor even before Rodgers was injured. MM said in the off season that they were changing some thing on O to stay fresh and ahead of the DCs they played against. When it went bad for them this year, I wondered if it was the play calls or the refreshed offense MM talked about. Any thoughts?