Classic McGinn--JS---"Packers should take Page out of Broncos Book"

[Zool]

Are there 30 newspapers around the country with this same article and we just don't read them? Or is the Urinal Scented the only one that posts contrived, simple articles?

They did a thing that worked. Other teams should do that to. All 32 teams should be in the Superbowl every season.

[red]

yes, I did read the article, and it struck me that the signing of cheap vet FA's is exactly what so many Packer fans have been bitching about Ted doing in his career here. Ted scours the bottom of the FA barrel, signs vets to the minimum or close to it, and brings them to camp while everybody bitches that he isn't signing the big-name guys.

like who saturday? thats 1 guy in the last 5 years.

i'm not talking about signing undrafted rookies or bottom of the roster fodder from other teams. i'm talking about vets that have actual playing and starting experience in the nfl

we tried it with saturday, we tried it with klemm, we tried it with o'dwyer. those guys unfortunately didn't work out, but none of them cost us a ton of money to try out

[Smidgeon]

I wonder what the hit rate is for retread veterans. For every Shawn Phillips and his 12 sacks for $1MM, how many are complete failures?

I think cheap veterans are worth a shot, but they more often than not don't work out: a la Mulligan or whatever that TE's name was.

[pbmax]

I wonder what the hit rate is for retread veterans. For every Shawn Phillips and his 12 sacks for $1MM, how many are complete failures?

I think cheap veterans are worth a shot, but they more often than not don't work out: a la Mulligan or whatever that TE's name was.

Phillips can be an indifferent pass rusher, that's part of the reason SD let him go. However, Denver's offense has set him up for success by scoring at a prolific rate and forcing a lot of opponents to pass.

One thing McGinn fails to consider is that EVERY FA pickup the Packer made looked good in 2010 when teams abandoned the run often versus the Packers, letting the pass rushers and ball hawkers in the secondary play to their strengths.

This does not always work, as evidenced by the League record worst D the Packers played while the offense was setting its own scoring records in 2011. But just as key injuries can torpedo a D, a key FA might also be limited in exactly the correct way (Howard Green) to serve a limited role with a Super Bowl winning team.

[woodbuck27]

Perhaps my old friend at the JSO forgets that the Packers have to play in the NFC and get by both San Francisco and Seattle to get to the Superbowl. Or perhaps he forgot that a fellow named Rodgers missed a number of games, ironically right after McGinn forwarded the thesis that the Packers would be just fin without him - perhaps much like the Colts after Manning was hurt. McGinn is too often engaging in two fatal flaws late in his esteemed career: 1) Bandwagon reporting - some successful team this year must be doing something better, so the Packers should consider their approach. 2) Blindly throwing darts at a 'topic' dartboard with only controversial/outrageous topics on it (the Skip Bayless stratagem) . Every once in a while you'll be right, but more often than not you will end up with bigger, stronger egg on your face.

Whatever Bob McGinn writes is moot.

The GM of the Green Bay Packers is .... Ted Thompson.

The Head coach of the Green Bay Packers is .... Mike McCarthy.

They regularly enjoy this song :

[call_me_ishmael]

I wonder what the hit rate is for retread veterans. For every Shawn Phillips and his 12 sacks for $1MM, how many are complete failures?

I think cheap veterans are worth a shot, but they more often than not don't work out: a la Mulligan or whatever that TE's name was.

But... he was never a player. Shawn Phillips was.

[ThunderDan]

I wonder what the hit rate is for retread veterans. For every Shawn Phillips and his 12 sacks for $1MM, how many are complete failures?

I think cheap veterans are worth a shot, but they more often than not don't work out: a la Mulligan or whatever that TE's name was.

I heard on the radio that Denver signed 18 FA and have 6 that play.

[bobblehead]

Whatever Bob McGinn writes is moot.

The GM of the Green Bay Packers is .... Ted Thompson.

The Head coach of the Green Bay Packers is .... Mike McCarthy.

They regularly enjoy this song :

They should do it some other way than the one they think is right?

[Cleft Crusty]

They should do it some other way than the one they think is right?

Packer fans want the Packer organization to do what other teams do to get to and win the Super Bowl every year. Since it's obvious to people with even a speck of common sense that this is impossible, the next thing to do (like McGinn) is to point to the successful team(s) for the current year and say the Packers should be doing what they do. The interesting thing for Crusty is that - to my knowledge - I don't recall so much fans and beat writers arguing that other teams should be doing it GB's way when the Packers won it all.

It's human nature - even in Green Bay, the grass is greener elsewhere...

[woodbuck27]

They should do it some other way than the one they think is right?

Instead of thinking your doing something right.

pool every possible resource..tap in "Big Time" .

Utilize all you need to better ensure (not just think) a better (not good enough) rather A BEST OUTCOME.

A whole 'Motherload" of that is practically FREE.

TT and MM have to yse "common sense"...based in certain intelligence.

They're obviously getting it WRONG.

Use what has always served me well or the "Two To One Odds ALWAY's WIN Theory. Three straight seasons wrong would dictate that's more than a reasonable direction or improvement in their failing strategy.

Hey ... I'd even act to assist or tutor them...for say "on the cheap for them"...ahh... $500 K$ for 9 months.

[HarveyWallbangers]

and that young team in seattle signed a couple a vets to 1(bennett) and 2 (avril) year deals this season and those 2 guys have been huge contributors for them. so the seahawks also took a "page out of the broncos book" if you will

we had the cap space where we could have sprinkled in a some free agent vets like the broncos did with shawn phillips for a million bucks (12 sacks) or seattle did with bennett (5 million for 1 year)

we need experience on this team, we need guys that can show all these 21 and 22 year olds how to practice and prepare for games and play at an nfl level when he gets on the field

Well, Bennett was a cheap FA pickup on a one year deal. TT has made some of these types of signings (Saturday and others earlier in his tenure), but they haven't worked out very well. Avril was a bigger signing, but Thompson has had his Woodson and Pickett signings. We'll see. Schneider has made more trades (non-draft) than Thompson, but a lot of what he is doing mirrors what Thompson does. It helps Seattle that Wilson is playing on his rookie contract. When he gets his $10-15M/year, the purse strings will tighten even further in Seattle.

[red]

I heard on the radio that Denver signed 18 FA and have 6 that play.

that could be, we probably have about 18 undrafted rookies on the team with 15 or so of them playing when maybe only 1 or 2 should have even been on the roster

at least they are using all options for trying to build their team. i would also guess that they are still drafting players they think will be decent some day. its not like they are gonna now go out and draft a bunch of players they think are shit because they have vet free agents playing for them

[Rodgers12]

Look back at '96 and '97. Wolf acquired plenty of veterans of NFL wars to lead his young uns. McGinn is correct.

A seasoned veteran would NOT have fucked this up:

[Joemailman]

Packer fans want the Packer organization to do what other teams do to get to and win the Super Bowl every year. Since it's obvious to people with even a speck of common sense that this is impossible, the next thing to do (like McGinn) is to point to the successful team(s) for the current year and say the Packers should be doing what they do. The interesting thing for Crusty is that - to my knowledge - I don't recall so much fans and beat writers arguing that other teams should be doing it GB's way when the Packers won it all.

It's human nature - even in Green Bay, the grass is greener elsewhere...

Wow. I'm starting to think like Cleft Crusty. Does this mean I'm going to start falling apart physically?

[Rodgers12]

BTW, Micah Hyde last season: ZERO, 0, NADA, NULL, SEFR, RIE picks.

Kaepernick threw him a gift and the idiot rookie still dropped it.

Grrrr. Thinking about it makes me angry.