Jermichael Finley: What might the Green Bay Packers do?

[Zool]

He would be an outstanding Aaron Herandez LITE, I think brady would love him, and he would kill it

Easy now. Don't go making predictions about that sort of thing.

[red]

Easy now. Don't go making predictions about that sort of thing.

he does seem to be at about that same level of stupid

[pbmax]

^^^ nice to see you Mazz, but please refrain from comparing Finley to The Fraud. Despite his shortcomings, Finley doesn't deserve that!

Mazzin is Bretsky!

[red]

Mazzin is Bretsky!

don't ruin the dream for the rest of us

NO, mazzin is a super hot chick.

period

now if we could just get packer super fan ashlynn brook to sign up and start posting here we'd be all set

[Freak Out]

now if we could just get packer super fan ashlynn brook to sign up and start posting here we'd be all set

We'd never leave the GC.

[Bretsky]

someone needs to get a hold of B, asap

BACK.....MAZZIN.....where have ya been ????

[Fritz]

I think Finley is damaged goods, and not just physically. He seems gun shy now, and that isn't going to play in the NFL. Think Robert Ferguson after he got hit over the middle.

I think you just have to let the guy go. I know MM loves the guy, but he's been almost living up to his potential for years now.

[Smidgeon]

I think Finley is damaged goods, and not just physically. He seems gun shy now, and that isn't going to play in the NFL. Think Robert Ferguson after he got hit over the middle.

I think you just have to let the guy go. I know MM loves the guy, but he's been almost living up to his potential for years now.

I think you nailed it on the damaged goods part. But there was about a season's worth of games (end of 2009, beginning of 2010) where he was utterly dominating: running past defenders, jump balls in the end zones, impossible catches with defenders hanging onto his arms, chip blocks that leveled the DEs... But he's never been the same since the ACL. That's too bad since he was really good up until then.

[red]

I think you nailed it on the damaged goods part. But there was about a season's worth of games (end of 2009, beginning of 2010) where he was utterly dominating: running past defenders, jump balls in the end zones, impossible catches with defenders hanging onto his arms, chip blocks that leveled the DEs... But he's never been the same since the ACL. That's too bad since he was really good up until then.

see, this is where i think people are getting confused. the legend of finley is much bigger ten his actual performance

for one, he's never been dominate. his "career game" was in 2009 when he had 159 yards and no td's in the playoffs. he's had a total of 4, 100 yard games in his career, none since 2010

that stretch of late 2009-early 2010. the last 5 weeks of 2009 and first 3 games of 2010. in those 9 games, including the 1 playoff game, he had 496 yards and 4 td's. stretch his career period out to over a full season (55 yards per game during his beast streak) and he would have had 881 yards and 7 or 8 td's

in 2009, those numbers would have ranked him 7th for TE's in yards and 4th-7th for td's. and thats taking his hot streak and spreading it out for a whole season vs guys regular season numbers

good numbers, but no where near dominate or elite

i think the reason why people feel that he looked so "dominate" during that time was because he was just so shitty the rest of his career

he's been "good" at best, but never dominate imo

yet he has been paid like the top TE in the NFL

[red]

it should also not go unmentioned that the year he tore his ACL and only played 5 games early on, was the same year that we got hot, went deep into the playoffs, and won the super bowl

all without him

[Patler]

see, this is where i think people are getting confused. the legend of finley is much bigger ten his actual performance

for one, he's never been dominate. his "career game" was in 2009 when he had 159 yards and no td's in the playoffs. he's had a total of 4, 100 yard games in his career, none since 2010

that stretch of late 2009-early 2010. the last 5 weeks of 2009 and first 3 games of 2010. in those 9 games, including the 1 playoff game, he had 496 yards and 4 td's. stretch his career period out to over a full season (55 yards per game during his beast streak) and he would have had 881 yards and 7 or 8 td's

in 2009, those numbers would have ranked him 7th for TE's in yards and 4th-7th for td's. and thats taking his hot streak and spreading it out for a whole season vs guys regular season numbers

good numbers, but no where near dominate or elite

i think the reason why people feel that he looked so "dominate" during that time was because he was just so shitty the rest of his career

he's been "good" at best, but never dominate imo

yet he has been paid like the top TE in the NFL

Have to agree with Red on this one. Any player can have a spectacular game every now and then, but that doesn't make him dominant even for a time. Finley has been a good receiving tight end, but never a great one.

It's easy to be confused by his raw ability, and his theatrics and bravado can make you think he has accomplished more than he has.

As for his drops, I was looking at an article earlier that I wanted to link, but was called away before I posted, and now I can't come up with the same article. For the last bunch of years, they had Finley at a combined drop rate of about 10%, which I believe made him the 3rd or 4th worst TE over that time frame. To me, it matters little if he catches 55-60 a year, if you can't rely on him to make a catch in a crucial situation. Too often, those are the ones he drops.

His ability as a blocker is a negative, not making up for any deficiencies as a receiver.

All that being said, I would very much welcome him back at a contract a lot lower than he had the last two years, but still higher than a run-of-the-mill TE.

Hope springs eternal.

[mraynrand]

Any player can have a spectacular game every now and then

sure, even Travis Jervey ran for over a hundred yards once. Finley's dominance isn't about whether he can have a great game here and there, it's what he actually is capable of doing on the field. If Jervey played up to his potential, he'd have had two or three spectacular games in his career - but no one would be mistaken that this was anything other than a marginal player having his sporadic 'great' game.. If Finley played to his potential, he'd have 20 of those by now (if he played in a less talented receiving corps APRH, perhaps 30). The maybe 5-7 dominant games he played showed you what he was capable of, and the fact that he didn't do it more is the reason you keep hanging on and hanging on waiting for that consistency that never comes.

[Patler]

sure, even Travis Jervey ran for over a hundred yards once. Finley's dominance isn't about whether he can have a great game here and there, it's what he actually is capable of doing on the field. If Jervey played up to his potential, he'd have had two or three spectacular games in his career - but no one would be mistaken that this was anything other than a marginal player having his sporadic 'great' game.. If Finley played to his potential, he'd have 20 of those by now (if he played in a less talented receiving corps APRH, perhaps 30). The maybe 5-7 dominant games he played showed you what he was capable of, and the fact that he didn't do it more is the reason you keep hanging on and hanging on waiting for that consistency that never comes.

But there comes a time when potential is meaningless, only actual performance counts. It's time to pay Finley based on actual performance, not potential.

[red]

sure, even Travis Jervey ran for over a hundred yards once. Finley's dominance isn't about whether he can have a great game here and there, it's what he actually is capable of doing on the field. If Jervey played up to his potential, he'd have had two or three spectacular games in his career - but no one would be mistaken that this was anything other than a marginal player having his sporadic 'great' game.. If Finley played to his potential, he'd have 20 of those by now (if he played in a less talented receiving corps APRH, perhaps 30). The maybe 5-7 dominant games he played showed you what he was capable of, and the fact that he didn't do it more is the reason you keep hanging on and hanging on waiting for that consistency that never comes.

no no, not 5-7 dominate game

1 dominate game, the playoff game against arizona, 1 very good game (125 yards and a couple TD's i think), then he had 5-7 "good" games (85-115)

and we're still talking about finley in terms of potential, its been 6 seasons. at what point can do we lower the bar that he'll never get to and say "potential reached?"

[Patler]

no no, not 5-7 dominate game

1 dominate game, the playoff game against arizona, 1 very good game (125 yards and a couple TD's i think), then he had 5-7 "good" games (85-115)

and we're still talking about finley in terms of potential, its been 6 seasons. at what point can we say do we lower the bar that he'll never get to and say "potential reached?"

Yup, how often do we discuss, and wait for the "potential" of a 6 year veteran who has been the preferred starter for 5 of those years? Heck, after 6 years we are usually discussing how soon before the inevitable downward slide begins, because half his career, even if he has a long career, is done. (Cue the "but he is still very young" argument for rebuttal.)

We are weighing the "potential" of a guy entering his 7th season against the certainty of his too frequent drops that were a concern when he was drafted, the certainty of his having never quite wowed anyone the way we hoped, and the certainty of his frequent injuries.