Jermichael Finley: What might the Green Bay Packers do?

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I like how the media has amnesia when it comes to Nick Collins's stenosis so they can keep comparing his case to those of Jolly and Finley.

I would blame them more if I could remember it. Can barely keep the vertebrae straight.

We really should just name a thread Spinal Injury and put all the links to posts in there.

And then someone should name their metal band after the thread.

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I like how the media has amnesia when it comes to Nick Collins's stenosis so they can keep comparing his case to those of Jolly and Finley.

maybe the problem is that nick collins doesn't have stenosis?

or if he does, its news that has never been made public

heres an article i found on another forum from 2011. its completely stolen

Rob Demovsky:

Green Bay Packers safety Nick Collins is out for the year, but one of his agents said the full extent of his injury isn’t known.

“We’re not 100 percent sure what the injury is at this point,” said Alan Herman, who co-represents Collins. “We know he didn’t break his back, he didn’t break his neck, he has full feeling in all of his limbs. He can run around and do whatever he wants to do right now. There’s no lingering effect from the impact yesterday. He’s got a headache, but he’s physically able to go.

“The MRI supposedly tells a different story, but we haven’t seen the MRI, we haven’t seen the report of the MRI, and they felt from the doctors that saw him in Carolina and obviously his team doctor, the best thing for him to do for this year is to shut him down to protect him. But there’s nothing in there, there’s no break. I’m assuming there’s some kind of disc involvement, but we don’t know that for a fact either.”

Herman said he’s still waiting for the MRI report, which is being sent to doctors in New York, where Herman is based. From there, a course of action on treatment will be decided.

Disc injuries can be problematic. It’s what has kept Colts quarterback Peyton Manning out of action so far this season. Manning has a bulging disc.

Good news for Collins, though, is that he does not have stenosis, according to Herman. Stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal column, and players who have it and sustain neck injuries often have to retire.

[woodbuck27]

It appears to me as if MM is still high on JeMichael Finley....that he will be resigned.

[Guiness]

maybe the problem is that nick collins doesn't have stenosis?

or if he does, its news that has never been made public

heres an article i found on another forum from 2011. its completely stolen

I vaguely remembered that as well, and was pretty sure he did not have stenosis. I don't think it was ever clear why it seemed his career was done, not much question about it.

[Patler]

I very clearly recall several articles that said Collins did not have stenosis prior to the surgery, but for some reason they almost immediately raised a concern that he could have developed a surgically induced stenosis. Perhaps it had something to do with the severity of the injury, or his specific anatomy, or something else, but for months they talked about waiting to see if he had developed stenosis.

As I recall, at the end he visited a bunch of doctors, and it was reported that they were split on whether or not he should play again.

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its funny, when i was trying to find news on collins injury, i ran across the eric dickerson case.

when dickerson got traded to green bay they gave him a test with one of those new fangled mri machines and found out he had a herniated disk in his neck. because of that, he failed the physical and the team forced him to calling it a career, telling him that they would not allow him to risk his body.

funny thing is, dickerson injured his neck in 84 during his second season in the pros. after he suffered the injury he had around 2600 carries and 281 receptions, before mike holmgren told him the injury prevented him from playing anymore because of the 9 year old injury

from what i've read on collins injury (and finley, jolly and richardson) people get freaked out because IF that same little section of spinal cord gets damaged (touched), then the damage COULD be more permanent. many doctors say that after the fusion, that section of spinal cord is basically encased in an impenetrable shell, and there is absolutely no was that same section can be damaged again. the only way the neck can be re-injured is if another section takes on too much strain because of the fusion. but the chances of that happening are extremely slim to none

i would start to wonder if teams can be held liable for cutting players careers short, when other doctors say there is no risk?

how did football player in yesteryear ever survive without mri machines telling them that their sore neck is a career ender?

i wonder if i should stop working because i have a bulging disk in my lower back. you never now, i could fall off a 4th story roof one day and land back first onto a brick fence and be paralyzed for life, all because of my weakened back, not because of the 4 story fall. me and the other 75% of people in the world should just quit not and go on disability before we get injured any more seriously then we already are

[bobblehead]

Red, I agree with you about all of us retiring who have bulging discs. The one point I would make though, is that Nick Collins wasn't told he couldn't play anymore, he was simply not cleared by the Packers and he was cut. He can go play with any team willing to sign him.

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Red, I agree with you about all of us retiring who have bulging discs. The one point I would make though, is that Nick Collins wasn't told he couldn't play anymore, he was simply not cleared by the Packers and he was cut. He can go play with any team willing to sign him.

i wonder just how many teams brought him in and did all the tests on him, or are they just all taking green bays word that he's not cleared?

the guys been wanting to play again since 2012, but i don't remember hearing any stories about him going to visit other teams and getting checked out by them.

if he did, you'd think it would be news and he would no longer be trying to come back again

[pbmax]

I very clearly recall several articles that said Collins did not have stenosis prior to the surgery, but for some reason they almost immediately raised a concern that he could have developed a surgically induced stenosis. Perhaps it had something to do with the severity of the injury, or his specific anatomy, or something else, but for months they talked about waiting to see if he had developed stenosis.

As I recall, at the end he visited a bunch of doctors, and it was reported that they were split on whether or not he should play again.

The reporting on Collins was horrendous. At first he was reported to NOT have a disc injury. His agent made the situation unclear several times.

Clearly something is preventing Collings from getting team approval. If it isn't the type of surgery, its either the result or an unexpected complication.

[woodbuck27]

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[mraynrand]

me and the other 75% of people in the world should just quit not and go on disability ....

hey we're pretty nearly there already

[Guiness]

i wonder just how many teams brought him in and did all the tests on him, or are they just all taking green bays word that he's not cleared?

the guys been wanting to play again since 2012, but i don't remember hearing any stories about him going to visit other teams and getting checked out by them.

if he did, you'd think it would be news and he would no longer be trying to come back again

Didn't he go to at least one other team, Houston maybe?

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Didn't he go to at least one other team, Houston maybe?

if he did, i can't find anything about any visits to anyone

i did find this tidbit though, here http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3194/nick-collins

Collins says the only doctor that wouldn't medically clear him is Packers team doc Dr. Pat McKenzie.

[Patler]

if he did, i can't find anything about any visits to anyone

i did find this tidbit though, here http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3194/nick-collins

Collins says the only doctor that wouldn't medically clear him is Packers team doc Dr. Pat McKenzie.

The real question is, will any team doctor will clear him? It doesn't really matter if non-football doctors clear him, if a team Dr won't. If any team thought he could still play, I have to believe he would have been playing somewhere else. It happens all the time, that one team medically fails a player, and another team clears him and he plays for them.

With a player as good as Collins, he would be playing somewhere if another team was willing to clear him. If he really wants to play, and if his agent is doing his job, after GB released him his agent would have contacted every team in the league. How many teams would not sign a healthy Nick Collins? I suspect not a single one, assuming the money could be worked out. It doesn't seem to be a difficult thing to craft a contract with incentives and bonuses to protect a team in case of re-injury while adequately compensating Collins if he in fact plays.

[Patler]

Interesting comments with issues that might result in one player (Finley) being cleared, when another with the same fusion was not (Collins):

Each of the doctors interviewed said defensive backs have the highest occurrence of herniated discs, probably because of the innumerable collisions they endure, many against players much larger than them.

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If there is an issue after fusion surgery, it isn't with the fused discs but usually the ones above or below them. Because those discs assume the stress from the fused part of the neck, they sometimes will rupture. The player will be forced to retire knowing he might face a lifetime of limited range of motion and discomfort.

"It's a relatively low incidence," Maroon said.

But it does happen.

Baltimore Ravens cornerback Samari Rolle had fusion surgery in 2008, came back the following year and suffered another neck injury that forced him to retire.

"When you hurt your neck, reality sets in," Rolle told the Baltimore Sun in 2009. "My whole attitude changed. If I knew then what I know now, I would have never went back out there."

San Francisco 49ers center Chris Dalman had a single-level fusion of C-3 and C-4 when he was a sophomore at Stanford University. He finished college with no consequences of the surgery and played seven exceptional seasons in the NFL.

During his eighth year, he got hit when he wasn't expecting it during training camp and went down in a heap.

"It kind of exploded through my body," Dalman said. "When I first went down, I couldn't move. I eventually got up and got in the cart and had X-rays and I had another disc herniated between C-5 and C-6.

"It had come back into the (spinal) cord. Every doctor told me I couldn't play anymore."

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The second herniation caused Dalman tremendous pain until he finally had a fusion done to C-5 and C-6. He can do all the things he wants to do as a dad - he's also an offensive line coach at a high school in Salinas, Calif. - but he struggles to move his head up and down and reaching to get something out of a tall cabinet is out of the question.

"I really struggle with anything overhead," he said.

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