Jermichael Finley: What might the Green Bay Packers do?

[Guiness]

Interesting comments with issues that might result in one player (Finley) being cleared, when another with the same fusion was not (Collins):

I remember the Chris Dalman incident, that was scary.

[red]

Interesting comments with issues that might result in one player (Finley) being cleared, when another with the same fusion was not (Collins):

then i think we come back to the same question i've asked before

is player A, who has had the spinal fusion, any more or less likely to suffer another injury compared to player B who has never had a problem before

collins and finley both had never had neck problems before, and there was no stenosis before hand that would make them any more likely to suffer an injury in the first place

player A might have a 2% chance of taking a hit that leaves him paralyzed, player B might have a 1.5% chance of suffering that type of injury by just stepping on the field every week (% may not be accurate numbers, just an example)

every player is at risk every time they play, neck fusion or not

if dalman had not suffered the injury in college, would the injury that ended his career still have happened? i'd say theres a good chance it still would have happened

[Guiness]

then i think we come back to the same question i've asked before

is player A, who has had the spinal fusion, any more or less likely to suffer another injury compared to player B who has never had a problem before

collins and finley both had never had neck problems before, and there was no stenosis before hand that would make them any more likely to suffer an injury in the first place

player A might have a 2% chance of taking a hit that leaves him paralyzed, player B might have a 1.5% chance of suffering that type of injury by just stepping on the field every week (% may not be accurate numbers, just an example)

because 57.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot, right?

every player is at risk every time they play, neck fusion or not

if dalman had not suffered the injury in college, would the injury that ended his career still have happened? i'd say theres a good chance it still would have happened

You're probably right - it has to be a fine line for a doctor to sign off on someone stepping on an NFL field at all. I wonder if it's all in how the question is asked. When players take physicals, say at the combine, the question is 'Are they 100% healthy' to which the answer is yes, unless of course something shows up, as occasionally does.

However, after surgery, the question may change to 'is there a chance of getting hurt if I step onto a football field'. Well, the answer is yes. But it would've been at the combine as well!

[woodbuck27]

because 57.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot, right?


You're probably right - it has to be a fine line for a doctor to sign off on someone stepping on an NFL field at all. I wonder if it's all in how the question is asked. When players take physicals, say at the combine, the question is 'Are they 100% healthy' to which the answer is yes, unless of course something shows up, as occasionally does.

However, after surgery, the question may change to 'is there a chance of getting hurt if I step onto a football field'. Well, the answer is yes. But it would've been at the combine as well!

Looking at your signature Guiness. I'm sure there's a thread there.

http://www.laserspineinstitute.com/back_problems/spinal_stenosis/?source=bing&Category=NA&KW=spinal_stenosis-bidid3658816&cpao=1060&cpca=Condition+-+Stenosis+-+Spine&cpag=Condition-Stenosis-Spine_Broad&kw=spinal_stenosis-bidid3658816&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=spinal_stenosis-bidid3658816

Spinal Stenosis (an overview) etc.:

By: Michael Perry M.D.


GO PACKERS !

[woodbuck27]

MM sure does seem to like ol' Jermichael. He's got a soft spot for the guy. And that soft spot seems to be located inside his brain pan.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1973460-nfl-free-agents-2014-latest-buzz-rumors-after-the-combine/page/6

Buy: The Return of Jermichael Finley.

GO PACK GO !

[bobblehead]

then i think we come back to the same question i've asked before

is player A, who has had the spinal fusion, any more or less likely to suffer another injury compared to player B who has never had a problem before

collins and finley both had never had neck problems before, and there was no stenosis before hand that would make them any more likely to suffer an injury in the first place

player A might have a 2% chance of taking a hit that leaves him paralyzed, player B might have a 1.5% chance of suffering that type of injury by just stepping on the field every week (% may not be accurate numbers, just an example)

every player is at risk every time they play, neck fusion or not

if dalman had not suffered the injury in college, would the injury that ended his career still have happened? i'd say theres a good chance it still would have happened

You are correct in your analysis, but the problem is this: Do you want to be the doctor that clears a guy and then the 2% thingy happens and you look like you sent a guy out there you shouldn't have. Not fair to be sure, but you know they would ruin him.

[mraynrand]

You are correct in your analysis, but the problem is this: Do you want to be the doctor that clears a guy and then the 20% thingy happens and you look like you sent a guy out there you shouldn't have. Not fair to be sure, but you know they would ruin him.

or not.

[red]

or not.

good point

and if doctors were really doing their jobs, would they let anyone actually play the games with all the risks it brings

[woodbuck27]

good point

and if doctors were really doing their jobs, would they let anyone actually play the games with all the risks it brings

Bringing on "flag football".

Where speed and true athleticism counts.

[Fritz]

It strikes me as worth noting that when a Packer player suffers some kind of neck injury the team is quite mum on that player's future, or at least extremely cautious in its statements. Think Sean Richardson, Jolly, Nick Collins, Terrance Murphy.

Yet MM is pretty open in expressing confidence that Finley will be back.

I'm guessing he'll be back next year with another one year contract, probably from GB, and once again we'll be teased by his occasional flashes and his proclamations of maturity, only to watch him cringe and drop a few important ones over the middle.

He never did reach the heights that were projected for him, and for a time seemed very possible.

[mraynrand]

He never did reach the heights that were projected for him, and for a time seemed very possible.

But I still don't think he was all that far away. Jennings had been Rodgers' top target and his best years were about 80 catches, 1300 yards. Cobb's best year was 80 catches for less than Jennings in yards. jordy this past year was 85 for over 1300. And in the years when he had to share with everyone else, Nelson was getting maybe 45 catches, 600 yards. Finley has three top years at about 55 for 700. That's a lot, given all the options in the Packer O. APRH, he would have put up bigger numbers this past year. But generally, his numbers wouldn't be that much more, because of the way the offense works. I think he was close to his max in 'production' but they needed him to be more consistent and complete (catch more, block well from time to time, know assignments better).

[red]

But I still don't think he was all that far away. Jennings had been Rodgers' top target and his best years were about 80 catches, 1300 yards. Cobb's best year was 80 catches for less than Jennings in yards. jordy this past year was 85 for over 1300. And in the years when he had to share with everyone else, Nelson was getting maybe 45 catches, 600 yards. Finley has three top years at about 55 for 700. That's a lot, given all the options in the Packer O. APRH, he would have put up bigger numbers this past year. But generally, his numbers wouldn't be that much more, because of the way the offense works. I think he was close to his max in 'production' but they needed him to be more consistent and complete (catch more, block well from time to time, know assignments better).

and thats where he never came close to meeting his potential

[Fritz]

That's kinda what I was thinking. If you want a guy to be considered elite, he's got to do it all and know the assignments inside and out. I think of Jordy Nelson that way - phenomenal skills, plus he is a willing blocker, catches everything, knows the offense inside/out.

[pbmax]

That's kinda what I was thinking. If you want a guy to be considered elite, he's got to do it all and know the assignments inside and out. I think of Jordy Nelson that way - phenomenal skills, plus he is a willing blocker, catches everything, knows the offense inside/out.

There are guys who are not elite who don't know the offense inside and out. But they don't drop balls and they don't refuse to run a seam pattern.

[Smidgeon]

There are guys who are not elite who don't know the offense inside and out. But they don't drop balls and they don't refuse to run a seam pattern.

And now he's not going to want to run the slant or the crossing route either. What does that leave him? The out, the fade, the wheel?