Favre a GRAMPS!

[Patler]

TT had an asset and obtained value for it, like any competent gm would do.

Sorry Bossman, you beat me to it. I entered a response to Rodgers 12 before I finished reading the thread, and before seeing that you made the same reply before me.

[Patler]

A lot of times, a trade is revoked when a player does not pass his physical with the new team. The Colts could've traded Manning to a bottom-feeder team with lots of cap space like Tampa Bay.

What team in their right mind would trade for a player of questionable health, pay an immediate $28M bonus and commit to his then salaries for the remainder of his contract? The risk would that he passes his physical but then re-injures himself. That was the possibility that Denver specifically protected themselves against in their contract with him.

Manning was not tradeable, Al Davis was already dead then, wasn't he?

[Bossman641]

What team in their right mind would trade for a player of questionable health, pay an immediate $28M bonus and commit to his then salaries for the remainder of his contract? The risk would that he passes his physical but then re-injures himself. That was the possibility that Denver specifically protected themselves against in their contract with him.

Manning was not tradeable, Al Davis was already dead then, wasn't he?

Patler, I pointed out the same thing to Rodgers. The other thing I'm wondering, which maybe you could help with, is whether Manning even would have passed a physical prior to the $28M payment on March 8. I have no clue how the physical process works. Is it just team doctors looking things over or is there an independent doctor there as well?

Assuming he couldn't pass a physical, the Colts would have had to pay the $28M and then try to trade him, taking a $38M hit to their cap that year. Is the additional $28M hit worth whatever picks they could have gotten for Manning (my guess, not much in the way of picks)?

Anyways, I guess this is just my long winded way of saying that the Manning and Favre situations were nothing alike.

[woodbuck27]

[QUOTE=woodbuck27;773095]Do we live in entirely different worlds pbmax?

I made some typos and or spelling mistakes in this post (the original) Post #115 of this thread above) I'm going to correct those errors:

I went back and looked at this and holy cow. I'll lay it out here:

From Thread: If Rodgers really is the BEST.

In that thread posts:

Post # 93

" What happened to Woody today? Hope you didn't quit, Woodrow. Rodgers12 has your back. I feel bad, (or perhaps I feel devilishly happy, as the devil incarnate) that it seems that between you and me, you've decided to quit, to throw in the towel. I - and Clive Cluster - can't allow that to happen. Let's try it your way. You win. Packerrats is yours. This White-collar, trolling/stalking, flaming, rotten/terribly bad mannered, angry/envious/jealous 'low esteemed' no decent account member is going to take a break and get some treatment. Perhaps I can go back to my therapy with Dr. John Holmes, M.D. Ph.D. In our last session, over 8 years ago, I think we were working on regression back to my childhood, where my father finished beating me for speaking at the dinner table. Oh, if only I could work out my troubles!

The creep show is over!

Last edited by mraynrand; 01-29-2014 at 06:51 PM. Reason: MD! " mraynrand

Post #94:

" Sometimes you just never know what kind of turns a thread in here will take. (Happy Face of some sort)

That was some of Woodrow's best writing though. I actually read some of it." Joemailman

Post # 97

" I respect this decision and 'only this decision'. Member mraynrand (aka Cleft Crusty) needed to take time for help. If he changes his mind at 4 PM this afternoon that doesn't change the water on the beans. Might he....I wouldn't be one bit surprized nor shocked if he did.

mraynrand has issues ... part of his symptoms ... his bad ass games.

So for me it's actually a let's see now. His dropped message and it's sincerity... after two more weeks of him and no show. Only then will I begin to buy into it. (or more, explained: believe that he may be seeking some help).

This member has been absolutely relentless, in some need he's built up inside of him to "only' harm himself Vs me. " woodbuck27

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Look at Joemailman's response or Post #94 (above). Couldn't he have done better than that, pbmax?

I woke up that night and went to the computer and signed onto Packerrats. I read these posts: #93, or mraynrand's BS dismissal of himself... as if, that was going to be reality. That wasn't going to happen as mraynrand's... ALL GAMES

Then I read Joemailman's response and I got so pissed I blasted Joemailman for his fricken insensitivity. I made a case for that BS and Mad. That this crap gets tossed in Mad's lap. I actually posted compassion for member mraynrand. Then I realized I was being naïve as I thought more about mraynrand's post #93. For a moment I forgot just how bad ass mraynrand is.

Once I came to my senses. Post #93 was just more of member mraynrand's style here. The slant I took on Joemailman ... I revised it.

Making that revision in no sense changed nor may it change in terms of Joemailman's manner and style of posting and me. ie Am I always wrong to Joemailman? When does Joemailman see mraynrand? I suspect that if he had to deal with mraynrand's overall posting me and just such hostility that mraynrand feels he must club me with. That Joemailman might feel towards mraynrand as I've been forced by mraynrand's constant stalking and flames to feel.

Do I exaggerate my complaint (s) RE: Packerrats mraynrand (aka Cleft Crusty) before Packerrats ...

I certainly do not believe that's the case.

I believe my complaints are certainly honest and justified. This is a virtual environment . I cannot deal with mraynrand as I would if this was he and I face to face mano -o-mano. I need Packerrats to deal with mraynrand.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

I revised my original response to what you see above. All the same I was totally pissed off with member Joemailman. When I read posts #93 and his post #94.

I don't deal well with two faced or flippant people and in my view that may fit Joemailman. He has to resond to that inside of himself. I easily can void Joemailman. That poster serves me no grief. His personality here is basically football and he does very well with that. I compliment Joemailman and that. Joemailman outside of that may lack the skills I would hope from him.

It just may be this: Joemailman is flippant and that to an extreme sometimes on here over issues that he might rather exercise more seriousness as a member. Be more advantageously neutral or constructive in terms of his reactions. maybe just simply observe and learn. no Joemailman has to get too often his worthless (in my view) two cents worth out there.

So my opinion of Joemailman means what? As I see it here that means or equals "a zero". That doesn't mean that the next time Joemailman makes what I deem "a fools play". Which obviously to Joemailman is an absolute hoot. That's not going to bug the heck out of me.

Joemailman is what I deem... and pbmax; look out for this bad ass zinger for your chacterization of me (your weapon against me in your support for mraynrand, pbmax) ... look out as this is just awful:

Joemailman is a classic "smartass', know it all, with little needed sensitivity to his surroundings. Joemailman is for Joemailman. He's all about Joemailman and blind to what's really happening around him.

Am I awfully bad for making such an observation of Joemailman? Joemailman might rather "in fact", act with better sense in serious matters; and not post like he's in his late teens. I expect that Joemailman is maybe about the age of mraynrand or ballpark age (50 years)

The bottom line: I know Joemailman is sane. He's NOT an issue nor a problem. I deal easily and well with Joemailman. Joemailman isn't a real problem (issue) with me. I except for stances am NOT a problem for Joemailman. Like one another ...HELL NO. There are many posters in here damn near impossible to like. That is as they post. In reality they may be wonderful men and women. As posters I cannot get to all Rah Rah and some here.

Now if my honesty is BAD ASS! That last bit was a BAD ASS News Bulletin on Packerrats.

My issue is with one member and that's mraynrand (Cleft Crusty). NOT as you desire to direct this pbmax in your agenda.

In the case of Joemailman... I manage to read his posts and simply shrug my shoulders at a lot of them....immature tone and all. The proof of that. The fact that I don't find much in that members posts that enlighten me to respond with more than a yes or on the other side, short disagreeing response.

I want to focus this properly and squarely where it belongs:

Cont'd next post or post #125:

[woodbuck27]

Cont'd from Post #124


How could this forum be so blind to what mraynrand is? Maybe I expected too much of a Joemailman? Maybe I expected too much of ""YOU" too pbmax?

I'm getting slayed by mraynrand and (his little group) and Joemailman does his little pile on thing like a lot of the members do rather consistently here at Packerrats. I always try my very best to hold my ass down and not get it bitten off by the bully mob mentality that this place can become. Where I come from if people act that way in some concerted effort the victim is too obvious. The angry mob is at fault. The mob needs to be quelled.

I'm guessing that's NOT the case here for whatever reason. Take falco for example. The 'only' time you see that member or at least I see that member if the hunt is on for a piece of woodbuck27. That shit is beyond clear. It's not easy to have to take on 6-8 members at once here pbmax. Yet have I ever wilted? The correct answer to that question .... is .... NO!

So it's your case that it goes down on me because I'm bad ass insulting.

That is far ... far from the TRUTH, pbmax. Being honest and posting as is sometimes necessary against the trong of posters here that "only" want damage inflicted upon me means I have to stand in tough.

The likes of a falco...piece of cake. Bossman 641 can demonstrate some real attitude.I at lest imagined that poster and I came to some understanding. Joemailman declares I have a meltdown .Ohh Yea another woodbuck27 "meltdown". That depended upon this or that ..that woodbuck27 might go all ape shit on him or maybe Bossman641.

Joemailman is a clear shit disturber. Joemailman's BEST game = Stir the pot. Check that claim out pbmax. Hey when shit happens... it's going down. This place has some very strong personality's. it's NOT and for sure :

ALL woodbuck27 bad ass. woodbuck27 isn't the meanest poster @ Packerrats and in fact I'll weigh in on the other side. As a positive overall contributor my performance here at Packerrats is well above average. I give my whole to Packerats.

My whole being is decent pbmax. If you find for mraynjrand Vs me/

you and I never have much more again in terms of any respect. You want to jumop inand save mraynrasnd and I can categorically inform you of this . no one but
mraynrand and consistent professional help can save mraynrand.

This issue isn't about woodbuck27 and any bad ass attitude. Don't for all that's TRUTHFULLY decent go there.

Last night it got to me and simply being a tad fatigued (tired). Your firing shots across my bow. My mind was on a lot more that a member that I categorically state again before this forum is major and bad ass. Don't ever imagine that characterization of mraynrand (Cleft Crusty) <<< that one person member >>> with two memberships and his agenda (s) ...mraybrand absolutely loves that. That I assume is a male member but I'm sometimes confused as "being male and manly" shouldn't be confused. That's a whole different discussion. The fact or TRUTH is this:

mraynrand loves to be just that...or "bad ass". He never had such a role in real life. I'll bet that for a good deal of member mraynrand's life he's been an academic. There's certain evidence I get from his posts that points to that being a fact. mraynrand has never been in fact one of the Boys yet here he fits t=right in!?

Is that because I'm a Canadian?

Is that because I chose to remain after all the dust cleared "LOYAL" to one of the best Green Bay Packers "ALL Time" ......... or Brett Favre?

Is it because I find fault with the way that Ted Thompson (Mike McCarthy) treated Favre, in terms of some certain decent respect. As they decided to, and about time, elected to start Aaron Rodgers. It was likely just that or lose him. TT and MM are really really both slow.

That's just one aspect of what TT and MM are overall and the actual keys to the green bay Packers success. Get used to me and this also. I wouldn't TRUST either of those two men. As there are many here that do. in my book that's merely a "so what" ! To each his own.

I will post here as honestly and TT and MM as I can. If I remain the critic of TT and MM isn't that exactly what Packerrats needs. Eventually most of you will see that I've been correct in terms of those two all along. When that's evident I won't inform you that [I]"I told you so". That's not my style.

I actually feel badly for some members here that are so deluded that they feel that with TT and MM the Green Bay Packers best interests are secure. Afterbthree failing seasons in a row. I'm hesitant to join that group. Is that OK with you pbmax?

Do I need to elaborate? Do I need to give you more or answer more to you pbmax?

What would satisfy your needs of me pbmax? You and I to my knowledge never had issues until well >>>here it is.

Why now pbmax? Are you actually going to lay down some defense posturing for members "in one person".. mraynrand and Cleft Crusty and in so doing attack and distort my by far superior contribution here at Packerrats even if on core issues I disagree on?

I request that you to support me and "Truth and Fairness" and dealing with member mraynrand. I don't need you attacking me in any re-direct that distracts form the core issue or problem...mraynrand (Cleft Crusty).

Cont'd next post or post #126:

[Patler]

Patler, I pointed out the same thing to Rodgers. The other thing I'm wondering, which maybe you could help with, is whether Manning even would have passed a physical prior to the $28M payment on March 8. I have no clue how the physical process works. Is it just team doctors looking things over or is there an independent doctor there as well?

Assuming he couldn't pass a physical, the Colts would have had to pay the $28M and then try to trade him, taking a $38M hit to their cap that year. Is the additional $28M hit worth whatever picks they could have gotten for Manning (my guess, not much in the way of picks)?

Anyways, I guess this is just my long winded way of saying that the Manning and Favre situations were nothing alike.

I think it is up to the acquiring team to determine what passes their medical evaluation and what doesn't. I don't think there is any standard used. I've never heard of a dispute over it, the acquiring team says "He didn't pas OUR physical" and the trading team takes him back. That's what happened with the Packers when they tried to trade Flanagan years ago.

I don't remember exactly, but I think at mid-summer Manning was still working on getting his arm strength back. I think the bigger questions for many people were what would happen when he threw a lot, and what would happen when he was hit a few times.

[Bossman641]

WB, I think you missed your true calling as a politician.

[woodbuck27]

Cont'd from Post#125

Finally and sorry for the length yet I maintain this.

The problem here is specifically as I describe it in this thread. The issue is what are you and other members going to do to control mraynrand and more of his clearly lousy manners and ways.

I sit here at my keyboard as one member and stand tall as a man that has a rightful claim and issue with mraynrand's membership and conduct on my Green Bay Packer forum. My Packer Home. My Packerrats that I desire to share in some decent sense of harmony with every other member. As myraynrand exists here that cannot ever be IMO mraynrand won't allow such. mraynrand is clearly in my view a man possessed and it's his responsibility to fix that. Not arrive here as he so often is or all King mraynrandish. Pushing his silly power struggle attempts onto Packerrats. mraynrand acts too often as a bonehead arrogant, absolutely insulting, self gratifying pompous fool.

Yes I declare such against one of your fellow countrymen.

The shock of this that I call out maybe a man that resides in your city or community and all that doesn't make my claims against mraynrand unjustified. I'll not indignify myself to allow that member to take his absolutely rotten ways and manners down on me.

Look at the difference between mraynrand and woodbuck27. How much does mraynrand contribute that's decent and constructive compared to my overall very positive contribution. I give a lot here. I stand strong yes... as a poster. I never back away from things attacks (flames) and a certain number of clear insults.

The proof of that is just what is going down here and needlessly I must also claim if "the powers to be deal with mraynrand on the issues I have with him. His latest show. His fool ass parading that signature of his that cards him as the torn joker. See mraynrand hasn't a clue of what proper comportment is. He might hold a wonderful job or he might be disabled? I'll inform the membership of this fact as I view that member. He's far far from being a decent human being. mraynrand redefines the word arrogance and sadly as intelligent as I perceive him as being. He's one of "the very least smart" and intelligent men I have ever had the extreme displeasure of observing. You might dress him up but where are you ever going to take him...with you!? mraynrand is a clear disgrace to Packerrats as he presently is.

He comes our Green Bat Packer Home to make trouble and that's just about what he stands for. mraynrand = Big Bad Ass Trouble. mraynrand wants to be a mean man. He must for some sick ego search be "just that'.

mraynrand, gets pretty much right there as that's his agenda ,his primary focus.

Packerrats !!!! OUR PACKER HOME !!!!

Mine ( my home) and yours pbmax and Jomailman's and George Cumby's and Bossman641's and falco's and Patlers and Deputy Nutz's and JimX29's and denverYooper's and Cheesehead Craig's and striker's and digitaldean's and pittstangs's and Kiwon's and Little Whiskey's and Zool's and PaCkFan_n_MD 's and Mads and Guiness's and Upnorth's and MJZiggys and LEWCWA's and Rutnstrut's and Badgerinmaine's and KyPacks and hoosier's and Swede's and Rodgers12's and Team Spaulding's and MadScientist's and call_me_ishmael's and Iron Mike's and Easy Cheesy's and packer4life's and Tony Oday's and The Shadow's and packrulz's and and Brandon494's and red's and Justin Harrel's and Vegas Pack Fan's and mmmduk's (?) Smuggler's and Captainkickass's and Bretsky's and gbgary's and HowardRoark's and Teamcheez1's and skinbasket's and bobblehead's and channtheman's and run pMc's and Carolina_Packers and Smidgeon's and QMNE's and Wist43's and JohnMexico's and Pugger's and Fritz's and HarveyWallbangers's and Harland Huckleby's and Rastak's and 3irty1's and Freak Out's and essox's and sheepshead's (?) ThunderDans and Superfan's and wpony's and BZnDallas's .......

I cannot just now cannot recall any more members and in that I mean no insult.

PACKERATS Is OUR HOME! ALL of OUR Packer Home.

It's just not (mraynrands and Cleft Crusty's) to run roughshod through and do what ever that member damn well pleases to serve his bad ass needs.

[Zool]

This is absofuckinglutely ridiculous people. I'm all for a good train wreck thread but c'mon. If you guys want to be the last 5 people posting here as the place fades into nothing, then this is the perfect way to go about having that happen.

Rodgers, you're already on thin ice. If you want to stay, stop trolling. Last warning.