Favre a GRAMPS!

[mraynrand]

My conduct is overall clearly assertive yes, but unmannerly...hardly. .

It's been a string of personal attacks, starting right from the very beginning:

I can't wait for that inevitability much to the chagrin of Pack fans that are so weak as to actually despise to hate Favre. What a sad pathetic bunch you Packer fans are and you actually hope that the Packers are going back and winning another Super Bowl.

Somehow I believe that attitude works in terms of karma against that..."haters". Your attitudes combine to screw the team I and love and Brett Favre gave so much of his life to. Your negativity makes you the laughing stock of NFL fans who you simply amaze as they never have had such an amazing man to cheer for.

People who disagree with your view of Favre aren't wrong in your opinion, they are "Weak" "Sad" "Pathetic" "Laughing Stock" "Haters" wanting to "Screw the team"

This is very nasty stuff. But at least you are honest.

[pbmax]

According to wiki, Favre formally retired from the Packers on March 4. That's not waiting til May/June.

Releasing Favre would not have cost the Packers' much, if anything at all, cap-wise. Otherwise, Vandermause would've reported something about the Packers absorbing $20 M or so in dead money.

Teddy didn't want Favre yet he refused to release him. Arrogance and cowardice.

He waited for May/June to announce to the team he wanted to come back. That was his leverage. His cap number and his presence on a roster than had been altered because of his impending absence. Different from Manning, because he could have returned, no questions asked, for his current contract and current position.

Manning's leverage was to not agree to redo his contract before the new League year, which would have been in early March and likely would result in his release.

The retirement announcement was after the Packers had asked him for a decision prior to the draft. There has never been a report that Favre asked to be released before late June.

[Rodgers12]

TT had an asset and obtained value for it, like any competent gm would do.

I guess the Colts had/have incompetent decision makers. They got nothing for Manning, except for maybe a freebie draft pick.

[mraynrand]

I guess the Colts had/have incompetent decision makers. They got nothing for Manning, except for maybe a freebie draft pick.

They did hire Jim Caldwell after all.... But that was just to get Lucky!

[mraynrand]

Where is my personal attack pbmax? Are you not seeing it like me? That's OK because you obviously, like too many here. Don't see certain things or if you do...choose to ignore them.

denial and projection leads to rejection

[woodbuck27]

You say the following about bossman and those that agree with him:

1. He is angry.

2. He needs to calm down.

3. He holds grudges.

4. They (posters who disagree with you) are part of a grudge club

5. Because they share an opinion, they are clones.

6. The grudge is silly.

7. He is being petty

8. They are not truthful.

9. They are not clear.

10. They need to grow up.

11. They can only be laughed at.

You refute none of his contentions. In fact, you specifically avoid commenting on the very valid point he has made to the detriment of your own claim and insist on characterizing him as a person and poster rather than responding to the fact presented.

I errored. I clearly thought that I was posting Joemailman when I made that post...that should have been obvious as it was in the body of the post (Joemailman's name and NOT and Bossman641). it wasn't until some time later that I discovered my error.

I revised the name and I even indictaed that I was editing the name.

Didn't you see that pbmax?

I am being TRUTHFUL here.

In any case I do NOT have contentions with Bossman641. He posts a lot like Joemailman. I didn't realize we are in contention.

I wouldn't often write 25 words to Joemailman.

That would be a waste of my time. I'm not like some here or a fan of Joemailman. He and I aren't particularly alike at all in our ways of seeing matters Packers or I expect in life generally. Joemailman isn't exactly a person I'd want at my back.

Joemailman is Pro TT and MM to a fault as I observe him unless he's suddenly reverted to some better sense. I'm clearly a TT critique. I observe TT and MM as carefully and discerningly as I'm able for any possible insight into what their up to.

[woodbuck27]

It's been a string of personal attacks, starting right from the very beginning:



People who disagree with your view of Favre aren't wrong in your opinion, they are "Weak" "Sad" "Pathetic" "Laughing Stock" "Haters" wanting to "Screw the team"

This is very nasty stuff. But at least you are honest.

Being honest is nasty?

Are you going to claim your the sensitive type mraynrand?

[mraynrand]

Being honest is nasty?

I believe you are honest about the nasty personal attacks you are making. I thought I was on 'ignore' - were you being honest?

[Rodgers12]

He waited for May/June to announce to the team he wanted to come back. That was his leverage. His cap number and his presence on a roster than had been altered because of his impending absence. Different from Manning, because he could have returned, no questions asked, for his current contract and current position.

Manning's leverage was to not agree to redo his contract before the new League year, which would have been in early March and likely would result in his release.

The retirement announcement was after the Packers had asked him for a decision prior to the draft. There has never been a report that Favre asked to be released before late June.

Sure, Manning had a big cap, and chances are, he would not have agreed to restructure it in a sign and trade deal, to say, the Washington Redtails (the Mannings don't even like being in the same conference). But rather than create a circus, a la Ted Thompson, the Colts graciously thanked Manning and sat him free.

Thompson should've done the same thing with Favre.

[Bossman641]

I guess the Colts had/have incompetent decision makers. They got nothing for Manning, except for maybe a freebie draft pick.

As others have mentioned, situation wasn't similar at all. Manning was due a 28 million bonus and couldn't even throw. No team was going to trade for manning and pay 28 million when it wasn't even a given he would play again

[woodbuck27]

You say the following about bossman and those that agree with him:

1. He is angry.

2. He needs to calm down.

3. He holds grudges.

4. They (posters who disagree with you) are part of a grudge club

5. Because they share an opinion, they are clones.

6. The grudge is silly.

7. He is being petty

8. They are not truthful.

9. They are not clear.

10. They need to grow up.

11. They can only be laughed at.

You refute none of his contentions. In fact, you specifically avoid commenting on the very valid point he has made to the detriment of your own claim and insist on characterizing him as a person and poster rather than responding to the fact presented.

What are you now pbmax?

The inquisitor here? In any case look at the words you list here:

Is it a case of the total impact of say 6-8 of those together are really very overwhelmingly awful words?

You cannot imagine the words that I'd use face to face with some members in here.

Are you very sensitive pbmax?

[Rodgers12]

Btw, the Colts could've traded Manning to a team with plenty of cap space. They didn't.

[mraynrand]

Sure, Manning had a big cap, and chances are, he would not have agreed to restructure it in a sign and trade deal, to say, the Washington Redtails (the Mannings don't even like being in the same conference). But rather than create a circus, a la Ted Thompson, the Colts graciously thanked Manning and sat him free.

Thompson should've done the same thing with Favre.

I thought TT did OK, except for sending Favre's locker to him.

[Rodgers12]

As others have mentioned, situation wasn't similar at all. Manning was due a 28 million bonus and couldn't even throw. No team was going to trade for manning and pay 28 million when it wasn't even a given he would play again

A lot of times, a trade is revoked when a player does not pass his physical with the new team. The Colts could've traded Manning to a bottom-feeder team with lots of cap space like Tampa Bay.

[woodbuck27]

I believe you are honest about the nasty personal attacks you are making. I thought I was on 'ignore' - were you being honest?

You were on IGNORE 'Only' while I tried to concentrate of some other threads here.

I had you on ignore and you like other times are posting away to me as obsessively as you get.

I felt it was 'only' fair to notify you that I had you on IGNORE so you might calm down.

Do I have to now notify you when I have you on IGNORE and then Off Ignore!?

That's not happening mraynrand.