MM's management style

[Patler]

Alex Gibbs was available very early on. My gripe with Campen is that he never worked in ZBS during his career. To my knowledge he never worked under a coach that taught it. Yet he was the choice to be the OL coach on a team that was running a Denver style ZBS using the cut blocks that Campen never executed during his career.

Campen's resume before being named the OL Coach was one year as Assistant OL in Green Bay and two years as Offensive Quality Control in Green Bay. Before that, he spent a few years as a high school coach.

[mraynrand]

Campen's resume before being named the OL Coach was one year as Assistant OL in Green Bay and two years as Offensive Quality Control in Green Bay. Before that, he spent a few years as a high school coach.

That never stopped Eric from living his dream!

[pbmax]

Alex Gibbs was available very early on. My gripe with Campen is that he never worked in ZBS during his career. To my knowledge he never worked under a coach that taught it. Yet he was the choice to be the OL coach on a team that was running a Denver style ZBS using the cut blocks that Campen never executed during his career.

Gibbs->Jagodzinski->Philbin->Campen.

I think Campen was Philbin's assistant for a year of ZBS under the immortal Jeff Jagodzinski.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Well, hope he comes back. What about Woody? Haven't seen him for awhile either. Maybe he died? I sorta enjoyed Woody's psycho posts.

I believe he got a timeout, sent to his room, whatever you want to call it. I believe that his ranting against rand was what got him kicked for a while.

[ThunderDan]

I believe he got a timeout, sent to his room, whatever you want to call it. I believe that his ranting against rand was what got him kicked for a while.

And pbmax and Joemailman and ...............

[Patler]

Gibbs->Jagodzinski->Philbin->Campen.

I think Campen was Philbin's assistant for a year of ZBS under the immortal Jeff Jagodzinski.

Now you are bringing back memories of why I questioned MM's original staff so much. He talked about the "secrets" of the ZBS that very few understood, secrets which Jagodzinski would pass on to Philbin, who had no experience with it. But, as I recall, Jagodzinski had only one year of it himself, and he seemed like a somewhat of an odd choice for OC to begin. SO there was some big secret system being taught by a guy who barely understood it to guys who had no experience with it.

Not that I believed the "secret formula" talk, but MM's decription/plan didn't support his propaganda.

Than after a year Jagodzinski takes another step toward his dream job of eventually coaching the Omaha Nightwaks, and bolts from GB to BC.

[mraynrand]

SO there was some big secret system being taught by a guy who barely understood it to guys who had no experience with it.

That always works well.

Gibbs->Jagodzinski->Philbin->Campen.

Yoda -> Obi Wan -> Annakin -> Jar Jar

[pbmax]

Now you are bringing back memories of why I questioned MM's original staff so much. He talked about the "secrets" of the ZBS that very few understood, secrets which Jagodzinski would pass on to Philbin, who had no experience with it. But, as I recall, Jagodzinski had only one year of it himself, and he seemed like a somewhat of an odd choice for OC to begin. SO there was some big secret system being taught by a guy who barely understood it to guys who had no experience with it.

Not that I believed the "secret formula" talk, but MM's decription/plan didn't support his propaganda.

Than after a year Jagodzinski takes another step toward his dream job of eventually coaching the Omaha Nightwaks, and bolts from GB to BC.

Jags looked golden after 2 years with Boston College. And then everything went to pieces.

Jags had 2 years with Gibbs I think. One year as TE coach and another as OLine coach. Gibbs was a consultant the year Jags was the OL coach.

The blowhard is back in college. I don't think the ZBS is nearly that complicated, though Gibbs may be that exacting. Shanahan has run it for years successfully without Gibbs and with multiple O Line coaches. Gibbs keeps partially retiring and holding grudges, even for an OLine guy, he is a bit odd.

If you can teach an O line to block with zone principles (you block what is in an area, not a specific player) you can teach ZBS.

[bobblehead]

Gibbs->Jagodzinski->Philbin->Campen.

I think Campen was Philbin's assistant for a year of ZBS under the immortal Jeff Jagodzinski.

And when GB lost jagodzinski, they lost the ability to run the ZBS nearly as effectively.

[bobblehead]

Jags looked golden after 2 years with Boston College. And then everything went to pieces.

Jags had 2 years with Gibbs I think. One year as TE coach and another as OLine coach. Gibbs was a consultant the year Jags was the OL coach.

The blowhard is back in college. I don't think the ZBS is nearly that complicated, though Gibbs may be that exacting. Shanahan has run it for years successfully without Gibbs and with multiple O Line coaches. Gibbs keeps partially retiring and holding grudges, even for an OLine guy, he is a bit odd.

If you can teach an O line to block with zone principles (you block what is in an area, not a specific player) you can teach ZBS.

But the cut block, and specifically, the backside cut is an art form. The only guy I ever really thought did it well was Darren College, and he got pushed around too much in pass pro.

[pbmax]

But the cut block, and specifically, the backside cut is an art form. The only guy I ever really thought did it well was Darren College, and he got pushed around too much in pass pro.

I agree, but they abandoned it not simply because of Jags leaving, but because Clifton and Tauscher were terrible at it. Watch Starks' runs this year, Bach and Bank have a lot of backside guys on the ground. Campen could teach it with the right tackles I believe.

[Fritz]

But now, if it is to believed that Van Rotten was let go because the Packers wanted to "get bigger," does that mean that MM is going to a more power-blocking scheme?

[Pugger]

But now, if it is to believed that Van Rotten was let go because the Packers wanted to "get bigger," does that mean that MM is going to a more power-blocking scheme?

Prob now with Lacy back there. These big guys will help keep Aaron upright too, hopefully.

[QBME]

But now, if it is to believed that Van Rotten was let go because the Packers wanted to "get bigger," does that mean that MM is going to a more power-blocking scheme?

It may have been a gratuitous grin fuck they gave the agent. Easier to tell him they "want to get bigger" than to tell him that "after year end evaluations, we've decided your guy sucks and we see limited/no potential for significant improvement".

[3irty1]

At center the Packers have been trying to get bigger for Ted/MM's entire time here. That was the reason cited for the Spitz experiment way back when. Big centers are in high demand now that half the teams in the NFL are running a 3-4 but also seems to be something that has been on McCarthy's wishlist for some time. I wouldn't take it to mean that the Packers have new priorities in selecting offensive lineman or expect it to amount to a significant change in the foundations of McCarthy's offense. We're still going to run as many zbs running plays as ever. They're just going to work better now because Lacy is good.