Why Can't the Pack Fit Shields, Et Al, Under the Cap?

[mraynrand]

Meaning that even if, by injury or skill or cap mismanagement, Jennings only survives the first two years, will see the majority of his total $24 mi.

The team is protected with cheap years on the backend, but that is a benefit to them that includes a substantial portion of the risk.

are you deliberately trying to be confusing?!

Shields might have higher averages but less guaranteed.

It's more guaranteed an lower averages right?

Guin: I suppose Sheilds three years into his deal could hold out, but that would mean he's played very well for two years, no? Pain in the a** if it happens, but at least you got something for your troubles.

[pbmax]

are you deliberately trying to be confusing?!



It's more guaranteed an lower averages right?

Guin: I suppose Sheilds three years into his deal could hold out, but that would mean he's played very well for two years, no? Pain in the a** if it happens, but at least you got something for your troubles.

Not intentionally, but that has not stopped me before.

Tim Jennings, the CB supposedly on Drew Roshenhaus' mind for a comparable contract to Shields, has a relatively low total contract number. Low total and low average per year.

What is unique about it, and the only thing that signifies it as the contract of a highly-regarded player, is that a significant chuck of the deal comes early and is guaranteed. He get's a low average per year, but much is guaranteed and comes early in the deal. Risk for Bears is that most of money in deal is paid out at halfway point.

Silverstein speculated that the Packers might wish to push the average per year up in return for less guaranteed or upfront/early money. Higher average per year, less guaranteed. Puts more risk on players' side.

[call_me_ishmael]

If Sammy would take 6M a year with 80% of it guaranteed instead of 8M a year at 50% guaranteed, I would do it in a second. He's not going anywhere for two years, regardless, so even if we totally flops in the the third year, no big deal.

[packer4life]

I literally have a half chub thinking about our dime package next year if Shields is signed. Tramon/Shields on outside. Hayward/Hyde in the slots. (Of course this disregards our atrocious safeties, but that is another issue)

If Shields walks, get ready for Davon House as CB2. It will be a looooooong season.

For the love of God sign Shields before free agency!!!

[run pMc]

Shields is worth 4/24 IMO, front loading a little isn't going to hurt them much; the Rodgers/Matthews contracts take up a bigger chunk in a couple of years. I agree there's risk in giving most of the money in the 1st half, but if the numbers aren't that far off cut a deal...and talk to Tramon about lowering him number as well.

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if shields is willing to accept that kind of contract (6 a year) then i have to wonder just what the hell the hang up is

TT needs to hurry up and get that done before shields hits the market in 2 weeks and finds out what he's really worth

hell, at 4 years? 24 million, i'd almost be willing to guarantee the whole thing. give him a 20 million dollar signing bonus, or a huge roster bonus in year 1 since we have all the cap space, and give him a salary of 1 million a year

[woodbuck27]

4/22.4? Sub-6M/year for four years??? Have to think if that's the number, it gets done. Considering the franchise tag is over $10M for a cb, I thought he'd be looking for a lot closer to an average of AT LEAST 10M/year on a deal that long.

Tramon might still be the Pack's #1 CB, but unless I'm really missing something, Shields is damn good too. Maybe the Pack is unwilling to spend $15m/year on that position, but they paid Harris and Woodson top dollars when they deserved it, no reason not to go there again.

I'm getting the franchise tag number for a CB @ $11.3 million$.

I value Sam Shields at close to Tramon Williams at CB. If TT can sign him for a 4 year $24 million$ even 80% guaranteed he should jump at it.

If not TT better have at least two better CB's in mind. . . .to bring in for this off season.

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If not TT better have at least two better CB's in mind. . . .to bring in for this off season.

and that brings up some interesting thoughts

casey heyward looked like a future super star his rookie year, and hyde looked damn good this year. we do already have a couple guys on the roster that could be a damn good duo in a year or two

tramon, if they keep him this year, then 2014 will probably be his last year in GB. he'll be 32 by the time the 2015 season starts, and i see no way that TT resigns a 32 year old CB.

so for 2015 tramon is out of the picture. hayward, hyde and house and whoever we draft this year and next, doesn't look to bad right now

shields, hayward, hyde, house and some young guy looks damn good IMO

so, i think we would be ok going forward if we don't resign shields because of the young guys on the roster, but if we can get shields for 6 a year i think we could look a lot better, without a ton of additional investment

[pbmax]

and that brings up some interesting thoughts

casey heyward looked like a future super star his rookie year, and hyde looked damn good this year. we do already have a couple guys on the roster that could be a damn good duo in a year or two

tramon, if they keep him this year, then 2014 will probably be his last year in GB. he'll be 32 by the time the 2015 season starts, and i see no way that TT resigns a 32 year old CB.

so for 2015 tramon is out of the picture. hayward, hyde and house and whoever we draft this year and next, doesn't look to bad right now

shields, hayward, hyde, house and some young guy looks damn good IMO

so, i think we would be ok going forward if we don't resign shields because of the young guys on the roster, but if we can get shields for 6 a year i think we could look a lot better, without a ton of additional investment

You have to be careful about the young GBs though (although that may go for any young player). Prior to this year, I was convinced House would be a starter at CB after Twill's salary was dumped. Didn't work out that way.

[run pMc]

I think House's future might be as Jarrett Bush's replacement. He jumped out to me when he played ST. Maybe it's the lack of a pass rush, but it seems like House gets beat more than he should...so I'm not sold on him as a starter. Hyde might be a safety, Hayward in the slot, so you still need someone to play outside. Shields can do that, and TT has had decent luck with CBs, so he'll do it again. Not sure this is a great CB draft class.

[mraynrand]

House got benched because of poor tackling and poor effort. That's polar opposite Bush, who for his obvious flaws as a db - being capable of nothing more than rudimentary man coverage and a raging pass rush with no discipline - always gives supreme effort. House needs to show that passion and effort - if he does he has a much higher ceiling than Bush as a db.

[QBME]

It appears the Packers are giving Shields some serious attention:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10511740/sam-shields-green-bay-packers-attempting-complete-deal

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bout time. nothing like waiting until the last minute

[Fritz]

Let's hope this gets done before the day to franchise or tag players comes - is that March 3? I'd like to see the deal done soon so the Packers can then figure out who else to try to keep.

It's the old domino effect. Clearly they want Shields the most, and whoever else they can afford will depend on how much the Shields deal eats into the cap.

Git 'r dun, Ted. Then we can fret about the rest of the FA's.

[pittstang5]

I have no doubt TT and the Packer brass will get this done. Everything sounds positive.