Kaepernick entering last year of his deal

[Striker]

You might like him more but hes not the better QB. He might look like the "pure" QB but numbers don't lie. You knock Wilson and Kaep for being on good teams yet don't say anything about Luck throwing 7 INTs in the postseason last year. Wilson won the SB and Kaep led his team to the SB but Luck is the better QB because hes on a shitter team even though Wilson and Kaep put up better numbers?

Yes, Wilson by himself "won" the SB. One of the best defenses in NFL history and a terrific running back had nothing to do with that. As others have pointed out, having a great team surrounding you sure helps. It makes a QB less likely to press (ala Brett Favre) and rewards "safer" play since you can rely on your defense to go out and either get you the ball back or score themselves.

And of course we can manipulate "better numbers" all day.

Let's look at last postseasons numbers.

Wilson threw a whopping total of 68 passes last postseason (524 passing yards/42 rushing yards) with 3 TDs. Overall he accounted for 566 of the team's 926 yards of total offense, and 18 of the 89 points scored by the Seahawks. QBR was 53.

Kaepernick attempted 82 passes for 576 passing years/243 rushing yards last postseason and accounted for 4 TDs (including rushing), 3 INTs, and a lost fumble. Overall he accounted for 819 of the team's 1001 yards of offense, and 28 of the 62 points. QBR was 77.

Both of them did this over 3 games.

Luck attempted 86 passes, threw 6 TDs, had the fumble recovery for a TD, and threw 7 INTs. He had 774 passing yards and 50 rushing yards. Overall this means he was responsible for 824 of the 922 yards produced by the Colts, and 42 of the 67 points. QBR was 71.8.

So, Kaepernick and Luck aren't that far apart and it looks like Wilson doesn't have to do much but be efficient. So, if his numbers are roughly on par with Kaepernick (who plays for a far superior team), wouldn't it stand to reason that Luck would be even better if they could fix the many holes the Colts have?

[Just Jeff]

Yes, Wilson by himself "won" the SB. One of the best defenses in NFL history and a terrific running back had nothing to do with that. As others have pointed out, having a great team surrounding you sure helps. It makes a QB less likely to press (ala Brett Favre) and rewards "safer" play since you can rely on your defense to go out and either get you the ball back or score themselves.

And of course we can manipulate "better numbers" all day.

Let's look at last postseasons numbers.

Wilson threw a whopping total of 68 passes last postseason (524 passing yards/42 rushing yards) with 3 TDs. Overall he accounted for 566 of the team's 926 yards of total offense, and 18 of the 89 points scored by the Seahawks. QBR was 53.

Kaepernick attempted 82 passes for 576 passing years/243 rushing yards last postseason and accounted for 4 TDs (including rushing), 3 INTs, and a lost fumble. Overall he accounted for 819 of the team's 1001 yards of offense, and 28 of the 62 points. QBR was 77.

Both of them did this over 3 games.

Luck attempted 86 passes, threw 6 TDs, had the fumble recovery for a TD, and threw 7 INTs. He had 774 passing yards and 50 rushing yards. Overall this means he was responsible for 824 of the 922 yards produced by the Colts, and 42 of the 67 points. QBR was 71.8.

So, Kaepernick and Luck aren't that far apart and it looks like Wilson doesn't have to do much but be efficient. So, if his numbers are roughly on par with Kaepernick (who plays for a far superior team), wouldn't it stand to reason that Luck would be even better if they could fix the many holes the Colts have?

Great post, but what does it have to do with Daryn Colledge?

[mraynrand]

^^^ sound reasoning, Striker. repped. except for using ESPN QBR lol

[Striker]

^^^ sound reasoning, Striker. repped. except for using ESPN QBR lol

I only mentioned it because he brought it up earlier in the thread.

[Guiness]

I don't think you can really look at Luck, Kaep, Russel and Newton (you can probably throw Stafford in there) and say this one or that one is clearly better. They are obviously the next wave of up and coming quarterbacks, the next few years will flesh them out. Brees, Manning and Brady ended up being the creme of that generation, and even now it's not clear cut which of them is the best. From that era, Vick was the one that would've been included in the group at first, but never quite got there. I'd guess 2 or 3 of those 5 will turn out elite.

Interesting, it seems like there's a bit of a dead spot between those two generations. It's where Rodgers falls, but is there really anyone else from that era that shines? Flacco? Rothlesburger? Both of them are SB winners, but aren't generally mentioned when you talk about top 5 QBs. I guess the domination of Brees, Manning and Brady overshadowed them.

[MadtownPacker]

Let me ask the real question, would Brandon think Karpernick was better if he wasn't half Black? I know he don't like Wilson. Cuz he is a "corny negro".

[Brandon494]

Saying Luck is as good or better or has more potential than Kaepernick and/or Wilson isn't that head scratching. It's a matter of opinion. Based on how they've played I'd go Wilson, Kaep, Luck (it's close though). Based on potential I'd go Luck, Kaep, Wilson (it's close though). Kaep has the most to work with. Very good OL, solid receivers, good running game, great defense. Wilson has had fewer weapons, but that defense allows him to play more controlled. Luck's OL is weak, he has fewer weapons, and their defense isn't very good. He has to carry that team. Plus, the dude seems to have an unbelievable knack for making plays late--even after struggling earlier in the game. He reminds me of Favre in that aspect. I suspect you could ask NFL personnel to rank these three and you'd get every possible order. There's no clear cut better player/prospect in this group.

You can talk about their teams doing this or that, but ESPN just put out their roster rankings. They have Seattle with the most talented roster in the NFL. San Francisco was second. Indianapolis wasn't in the top 10. Luck leading that roster to 11-5 is probably as impressive as Kaep leading San Fran to 12-4 and Wilson leading Seattle to 13-3 and the Super Bowl.

You do realize the divisions they play in right? Colts had the only winning record in their division while the NFC West had 3. Everything else I agree on though and I do like Luck's potential but until he starts showing it on the field you can't say he is better then those guys just because he got all the hype coming out of college.

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[QUOTE=MadtownPacker;788657]Let me ask the real question, would Brandon think Karpernick was better if he wasn't half Black? I know he don't like Wilson. Cuz he is a "corny negro".[/QUOTE

well i was working on the assumption that that is the reason that he likes kap over luck

[Brandon494]

Yes, Wilson by himself "won" the SB. One of the best defenses in NFL history and a terrific running back had nothing to do with that.

That comment makes no sense, its the NFL! On one can win the Superbowl by themselves, its a team game. You think Rodgers won it by himself? We had the #1 defense that year but I guess you guys just forgot about that.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You do realize the divisions they play in right? Colts had the only winning record in their division while the NFC West had 3. Everything else I agree on though and I do like Luck's potential but until he starts showing it on the field you can't say he is better then those guys just because he got all the hype coming out of college.

Of course, I do. But considering the talent surrounding them, I think his team success is impressive. Seattle and San Fran are MUCH more talented than Indianapolis, crappy division or not. I don't think highly of Luck because he was a high draft pick. I think highly of him because of his 8 fourth quarter comebacks. The guy is money in the clutch. Wilson and Kaepernick are working with stacked decks. I personally like all three guys, but if I had the choice of the three to start a new franchise, I'd probably lean towards Luck. I think Luck could do every bit as well as Wilson and Kaepernick if he played on Seattle and San Fran and vice versa. It's like arguing who is better between Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees to me. There is no right answer.

[Brandon494]

Let me ask the real question, would Brandon think Karpernick was better if he wasn't half Black? I know he don't like Wilson. Cuz he is a "corny negro".[/QUOTE

well i was working on the assumption that that is the reason that he likes kap over luck

Yea it has nothing to do with better numbers or his resume.

FYI Wilson is from my hometown and was in the same little league basketball league I played in even though I was 2 years older. Also got to watch him beat the shit out of my high school team so its a little homer-ism from me.

[HarveyWallbangers]

That comment makes no sense, its the NFL! On one can win the Superbowl by themselves, its a team game. You think Rodgers won it by himself? We had the #1 defense that year but I guess you guys just forgot about that.

I think you mean Favre. Green Bay didn't have the #1 defense in 2010 based on points or yards. They did in 1996.

[Brandon494]

Of course, I do. But considering the talent surrounding them, I think his team success is impressive. Seattle and San Fran are MUCH more talented than Indianapolis, crappy division or not. I don't think highly of Luck because he was a high draft pick. I think highly of him because of his 8 fourth quarter comebacks. The guy is money in the clutch. Wilson and Kaepernick are working with stacked decks. I personally like all three guys, but if I had the choice of the three to start a new franchise, I'd probably lean towards Luck. I think Luck could do every bit as well as Wilson and Kaepernick if he played on Seattle and San Fran and vice versa. It's like arguing who is better between Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees to me. There is no right answer.

I see what you are saying but no way he is better then Wilson. Its a push between him and Kaep but I to give the edge to Kaep when he puts up better numbers and plays better in the playoffs. The fourth quarter comeback stat is useless to me, they use to bash Rodgers for not having many but you know why he didn't? Because he never put his team in a hole early with costly turnovers like Luck and Favre did. Obviously Wilson and Kaep play on better teams but did either of those teams make it to the Super Bowl without them?

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and for the record, i don't think luck is elite while kapernick isn't. i don't think any of the young guys are elite yet. they all show potential, but IMO they all have a long way to go.

none of them are worth 100 million yet IMO. when did we start paying out 100 million for potential?

at least a-rod was already well established as one of if not the best QB in the game when he got his huge deal, kap, just got a-rod like money based on the idea that some day he might be as good as a-rod

to me thats stupid

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I see what you are saying but no way he is better then Wilson. Its a push between him and Kaep but I to give the edge to Kaep when he puts up better numbers and plays better in the playoffs. The fourth quarter comeback stat is useless to me, they use to bash Rodgers for not having many but you know why he didn't? Because he never put his team in a hole early with costly turnovers like Luck and Favre did. Obviously Wilson and Kaep play on better teams but did either of those teams make it to the Super Bowl without them?

this i agree with

wilson first then almost a toss-up between luck and kap. if i had to choise between the later two though i would probably lean more towards luck, but it isn't by much.

and again, none IMO right now are worth 100 million