Kaepernick entering last year of his deal

[Brandon494]

I think you mean Favre. Green Bay didn't have the #1 defense in 2010 based on points or yards. They did in 1996.

My fault we finished 2nd in points allowed. (240, second best in team history)

[Brandon494]

Interesting, it seems like there's a bit of a dead spot between those two generations. It's where Rodgers falls, but is there really anyone else from that era that shines? Flacco? Rothlesburger? Both of them are SB winners, but aren't generally mentioned when you talk about top 5 QBs. I guess the domination of Brees, Manning and Brady overshadowed them.

Rothlesburger is a future HOF imo, Flacco is just a guy who got hot at the right time in the playoffs. Now thats a guy that didn't deserve a big contract.

[Guiness]

and for the record, i don't think luck is elite while kapernick isn't. i don't think any of the young guys are elite yet. they all show potential, but IMO they all have a long way to go.

agree with you on that, see my post in the other thread

none of them are worth 100 million yet IMO. when did we start paying out 100 million for potential?

at least a-rod was already well established as one of if not the best QB in the game when he got his huge deal, kap, just got a-rod like money based on the idea that some day he might be as good as a-rod

to me thats stupid

He really didn't get a-rod money though. He got good money, not great, and the team made no long term commitment. He could be cut any time after year 2 (or even year 1, really) with some cap impact, but not crippling. Also, his base salaries are not that high! His base increases every year, and the last 2 years of the deal, 2019 and 2020, have 18.8 and 21.1M base numbers. He only gets a sniff of that 20M number a long time from now.

After 2 years, the 49ers will have paid him $25-27M (the 2M de-escalator), and if they cut him before Apr 1 2016 there would be 8M in dead money.

[Brandon494]

So, Kaepernick and Luck aren't that far apart and it looks like Wilson doesn't have to do much but be efficient. So, if his numbers are roughly on par with Kaepernick (who plays for a far superior team), wouldn't it stand to reason that Luck would be even better if they could fix the many holes the Colts have?

I don't know if he would have because Luck has shown he is more turnover prone than both those guys. Wilson didn't put up big numbers but he didn't have ONE turnover in the playoffs. Luck had more than double the TOs in 2 games than Wilson and Kaep had combined during 6 games in the postseason. Now he had a hell of a comeback against the Chiefs but he was the reason they were down that much in the first place. He was also the reason they lost to the Pats throwing 4 INTs. Now you can argue he has to throw the ball more because he doesn't have the talent on defense but I watched both those games and he made some horrible decisions with the ball.

[Guiness]

I don't know if he would have because Luck has shown he is more turnover prone than both those guys. Wilson didn't put up big numbers but he didn't have ONE turnover in the playoffs. Luck had more than double the TOs in 2 games than Wilson and Kaep had combined during 6 games in the postseason. Now he had a hell of a comeback against the Chiefs but he was the reason they were down that much in the first place. He was also the reason they lost to the Pats throwing 4 INTs. Now you can argue he has to throw the ball more because he doesn't have the talent on defense but I watched both those games and he made some horrible decisions with the ball.

IMO the guy I would most compare Wilson to is Joe Cool. He seems very calm in the big games.

[Striker]

That comment makes no sense, its the NFL! On one can win the Superbowl by themselves, its a team game. You think Rodgers won it by himself? We had the #1 defense that year but I guess you guys just forgot about that.

You're all over the place here.

My comment was sarcasm, and coming off of what you said that "Wilson won the Super Bowl" and "Kaep led his team to the Super Bowl".

Secondly, in reply to the other posts you have following this one, it seems like you're simply going off of raw numbers (QBR and passer rating) to prove that Wilson is better. Yet he accounts for about 60 percent of his team's offense whereas Luck and even Kaepernick mean more to their teams (and in Luck's case, is trying to do a lot more with a lot less).

Though you did admit there's some Homer-ism blinding you with regards to Wilson, so that makes sense as to why you're so insistent about his abilities over the other two.

The biggest thing that separates Wilson from Luck is that Wilson will take what the defense gives him/lives to play another day. Luck is a bit too "Favre-esque" in that he'll force the issue to try to make the play which leads to the turnovers. If he curbs that habit, he'll easily separate himself from the other two.

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i think the reason you may hear about luck being the better QB compared to the other two is because, and i think someone else might have already touched on it, he is the more classic pocket QB

when you go down the list of the great QB's of all time, you see a bunch of pocket passers. guys like cunningham or flutie or vick are gonna be pretty far down the list, even though they showed something special in their primes

hell, steve young was a hell of a scrambling QB and a damn good passer, he's usually not in the "best QB's ever" discussion though

so i can understand the thinking that the best QB out of the group of young guys out there is gonna end up being a classic pocket passer

[pbmax]

Everyone has failed so far to recognize that my list was correct, 100%.

All the rest is essentially complaining about Luck, CK and Wilson beating the Packers and trying to puff up the competition to make yourselves feel better.

Also, Kap's contract is about 30% fraudulent.