2014 Free Agency Rumors and or Speculation

[wist43]

your original point was that Capers used the 2-4 all the time and in the run defense all the time. Both were demonstrably 100% false. The 2-4 gave up some big plays, but the reasons had nothing to do with the alignment being unsound. Most of the yards were given up against McMillian and Jennings, who are no longer on the team. The Packers gave up over 400 yards, so half came against the 2-4, which was used almost exclusively in passing situations, which give up more yards than the 3-4, which was used more often and against the run. So, you ignored down and distance and play selection. You're analysis is thoroughly UNSOUND.

Fuck you, that's weak... of course he doesn't run it all the time.

You're an idiot.

[mraynrand]

Fuck you, that's weak... of course he doesn't run it all the time.

You're an idiot.

you kept saying he ran it all the time, and GLOATED when someone showed he ran it 67% of the time in 2011 - with no stats to back up anything. your second main complaint is that it was misused against the run. In the opened no such thing happened - and when it was used, and the 49ers ran, it was effective, except on two plays. I refuted your points and I get name calling in return.

[wist43]

Besides ayn - I've always acknowledged that Capers ran more 3-4 against SF than any other team.

So even though you used the SF game to try to muddy the facts - the facts still bear me out.

[wist43]

you kept saying he ran it all the time, and GLOATED when someone showed he ran it 67% of the time in 2011 - with no stats to back up anything. your second main complaint is that it was misused against the run. In the opened no such thing happened - and when it was used, and the 49ers ran, it was effective, except on two plays. I refuted your points and I get name calling in return.

As I said... Capers ran a base 3-4 against the Niners more than any other team.

And when he did run the base 3-4 more, he got better results.

All of which back up my argument.

[mraynrand]

Furthermore, you say we only used those alignments on 4 obvious running downs - whereas I count 7 such uses on 1st or 2nd down. Regardless of down/distance, 1st and 2nd down are either/or downs; combined with the 4 3rd downs you acknowledge - that's 11 plays in that alignment that were either/or, run/pass downs.

I don't have all the alignments of SF of course. Several of those 1st and tens are with 3 wide outs, so it's not an obvious running down. There were two 1:10 and SF passed on both - the fact that they passed on those pretty much proves they weren't obvious run downs. On the 2;10 they ran for one yard.

[mraynrand]

As I said... Capers ran a base 3-4 against the Niners more than any other team.

And when he did run the base 3-4 more, he got better results.

All of which back up my argument.

They routinely used it against running teams and running downs until they lost Jolly for sure. Like I said, the next games will be coming and you can look at the numbers.

[wist43]

I don't have all the alignments of SF of course. Several of those 1st and tens are with 3 wide outs, so it's not an obvious running down. There were two 1:10 and SF passed on both - the fact that they passed on those pretty much proves they weren't obvious run downs. On the 2;10 they ran for one yard.

They're either/or downs - base downs.

If you're in your base 3-4 and they run, you're stout enough up front to shut it down; and if they pass, you should be able to get push and pass rush. With the 2-4, you don't stand much of a chance against the run - we obviously sucked against the pass in that alignment regardless of down/distance. As I demonstrated.

How you don't see that is beyond me... seriously, you're like an idiot liberal who thinks government spending the same as economic growth.

[wist43]

They routinely used it against running teams and running downs until they lost Jolly for sure. Like I said, the next games will be coming and you can look at the numbers.

I will... and I know what the results will be.

As it is, I missed a lot of games due to health problems, so I don't know what Capers ran for most of the first half of the season - I know our defensive numbers were okay. From about the mid-point on, we were abysmal... but I only watched some of those games.

At the end of the season, we were ranked as one of the worst defenses in the league - 25th.

So something obviously went awry. When I was able to watch - it was painful, b/c we were in that idiotic 2-4... which of course sent my BP thru the roof, and I had to shut the TV off, lol...

[Teamcheez1]

Okay numb-nuts... you wanna play?? Let's look at your little breakdown - which, as I said, I cannot analyze b/c I don't have the game recorded. I will trust that the information you have provided is correct.

You wanna thump your chest b/c we forced 4 punts out of that alignment??

According to your post, we allowed 10 first downs, a TD, and a FG - and it would appear the only reason the FG wasn't a TD was b/c of a Niner penalty and a -7 yard play that apparently came from a defensive alignment other than the 2-4/1-5, as they had a 3rd and goal from the 22.

Out of those plays, we gave up 225 yds - which is an average of 10.23 yds/play.

How you can consider giving up 10.23 yds/play a success is beyond me

And those are your numbers, and take on each play. I'm sure if I broke the plays down, I'd have a far different telling of what was happening on every play.

Cause I got news for ya - giving up 10.23 yds/play, aint a win for the defense





Furthermore, you say we only used those alignments on 4 obvious running downs - whereas I count 7 such uses on 1st or 2nd down. Regardless of down/distance, 1st and 2nd down are either/or downs; combined with the 4 3rd downs you acknowledge - that's 11 plays in that alignment that were either/or, run/pass downs.

That's half of the plays you posted.

Of those 7 plays on 1st and 2nd down, we gave up 4 first downs, 115 yds, and had 1 sack.

That's an average of 16.43 yds/play on those downs.

Are you seriously going to argue those stats should be regarded as successful?? And that I'm in "denial", and in an "uncomfortable place" in arguing that this alignment, as played by Capers is junk??

Who's in denial??

You are like rainman on steroids.

[woodbuck27]

I will... and I know what the results will be.

As it is, I missed a lot of games due to health problems, so I don't know what Capers ran for most of the first half of the season - I know our defensive numbers were okay. From about the mid-point on, we were abysmal... but I only watched some of those games.

At the end of the season, we were ranked as one of the worst defenses in the league - 25th.

So something obviously went awry. When I was able to watch - it was painful, b/c we were in that idiotic 2-4... which of course sent my BP thru the roof, and I had to shut the TV off, lol...

Wist43...Don't allow these deluded Homers to get to you. Watch your health...their not worth taxing that Packer fan.

Of course your right. You've always been right and you'll be right until the Green Bay Packers ever get around to replacing Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. . .; .thus EXIT stage (finally he's left) Dom Capers.

We simply have to be patient as soon TT and MM will be gone.

[woodbuck27]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10600889/steve-smith-released-carolina-panthers

Panthers release Steve Smith


Updated: March 13, 2014, 7:39 PM ET

" The Carolina Panthers released wide receiver Steve Smith on Thursday, ending his productive and sometimes tumultuous tenure with the organization that drafted him 13 seasons ago." LINK

[mraynrand]

Wist43...Don't allow these deluded Homers to get to you.

Tired. Trite. Incorrect. Strawman.

[SkinBasket]

got it. i do know that pain

Then how do you ever sit down?

[hoosier]

I have bad achilles tendons. It is more painful than anything I have ever had, and I have had elbow tendinitis so bad that I got surgery. It actually hurts just to stand up and walk normal. I limp up stairs when I have flare ups. To my knowledge, nothing will ever make it 100% again.

When do they hurt most? What have you tried doing for them?

[3irty1]

Diggin the vibes in this thread right now.