Shield's testing the market

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Then that negates the entire premise that TT told him to go test the market and we will match an offer. If you can't verify an offer, you are taking the players word...which puts you right back to the theory that you are setting a price and sticking to it and other teams don't actually affect things much.

yeah, and thats all TT can really do now. stick to his offer, maybe raise it some. and hope no one beats it

or you could see a case where the player gets a good looking "fake money" deal, and brings it back to GB, and when TT doesn't match it, the player can get pissed because TT won't play ball, and decides to leave out of spite. maybe like #85 did

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You really have a low opinion of TT. So your opinion at this point is that if some team offers Sam a funny money deal, TT is going to match the number, but guarantee the entire deal?? Seriously?

IMO, TT will have no clue if a team wants to overpay with real money for SS or pay him close to what GB wants to, but with lots of fake money that make the deal look better.

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do you guys really think that drew is gonna walk into TT's office and tell him that sam has a 5 year 40 million dollar deal on the table, but that there is a 10 million dollar roster bonus before year 5 and that 5th years salary is 15 million BTW, making this really a 4 year 15 million dollar deal. so if you came in at 4 years at about 4 million a year, we'll be all set

hell no

he's gonna walk in a say "we've got a 5 year 40million dollar offer with x amount guaranteed (including that roster bonus that he won't mention). will you match it?

[pbmax]

We feel we offered you a fair contract... we love you in Green Bay but we can 'only pay you this much money ($whatever$). So Sam ( Sam's agent) go out and test FA to see what your worth. Maybe...entertain offers from NFL teams that want /need you more than we do. Set your bar and then before you sign with that team. Come back here because we do love you so much that we'll match the other teams offer for your services.

That scenario that you suggest ThunderDan is at at best ..... Ted Thompson coping out.

What if Ted and Russ think Sam's market is $6.25 mil per year and Drew thinks its $7.5 mpy?

Where is the cop out in not signing him at $7.5 mpg?

What if Drew scares up a deal for $6.75 mpg on Day 4 of the Free Agency period and Packers match? Ted saves $750,000 per year.

Sam Shields is not invaluable and is replaceable. There is no cop out in not meeting his demands.

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do you guys really think that drew is gonna walk into TT's office and tell him that sam has a 5 year 40 million dollar deal on the table, but that there is a 10 million dollar roster bonus before year 5 and that 5th years salary is 15 million BTW, making this really a 4 year 15 million dollar deal. so if you came in at 4 years at about 4 million a year, we'll be all set

hell no

he's gonna walk in a say "we've got a 5 year 40million dollar offer with x amount guaranteed (including that roster bonus that he won't mention). will you match it?

He can't do that because if he does, no one will deal with him again. Rosenhaus has a bad public rep, but teams don't mind doing business with him. That means he has to be fundamentally honest, if not forthright.

Also remember, its our guess Ted has told him to come back and we'll consider matching. That's a tidbit that helps Drew but not Ted. I doubt, even if the Packers want the option, that they have told Rosenhaus that directly.

[mraynrand]

this thread has become absurd. There are people guessing what Ted's position is and faulting him now for not living up to it in the future. UNSOUND!

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do you guys really think that drew is gonna walk into TT's office and tell him that sam has a 5 year 40 million dollar deal on the table, but that there is a 10 million dollar roster bonus before year 5 and that 5th years salary is 15 million BTW, making this really a 4 year 15 million dollar deal. so if you came in at 4 years at about 4 million a year, we'll be all set

hell no

he's gonna walk in a say "we've got a 5 year 40million dollar offer with x amount guaranteed (including that roster bonus that he won't mention). will you match it?

If he did that, he'd be severely misrepresenting his client. If Drew KNOWS that there's a crap number at the back end of the contract that SS in all likelihood will not get, wouldn't it be in his clients best interest to get that 4 year 4 mil deal. That's a tangible, believable, realistic salary that's actually going into his clients pockets instead of some wish wash hope and a prayer cash that he's never going to see.

[mraynrand]

Back-loaded, funny money contracts are for show. All but the dumbest of the dumb know they will never get the cash from the out years, and will have to re-negotiate or get cut. Up front money is the best bet; optimize that because you never know what will happen to you. If you can get a lot of up front money AND a reasonable contract (with at least 4 years of salary that the team will certainly pay you if you continue to play well), then that's great too. But get the guaranteed money and go from there.

[Packgator]

The rumor on the street has it that the Packers (last week) offered 6-7 million per year.

[KYPack]

do you guys really think that drew is gonna walk into TT's office and tell him that sam has a 5 year 40 million dollar deal on the table, but that there is a 10 million dollar roster bonus before year 5 and that 5th years salary is 15 million BTW, making this really a 4 year 15 million dollar deal. so if you came in at 4 years at about 4 million a year, we'll be all set

hell no

he's gonna walk in a say "we've got a 5 year 40million dollar offer with x amount guaranteed (including that roster bonus that he won't mention). will you match it?

PB answered this above me, but no, there ain't an agent in the league that would attempt to do this.

it would be actionable for one thing and easily exposed for another.

You'd be out into Bernie Madoff-land.

Even Rosehhaus, a man who has violated NFLPA rules by poaching clients from other agents, would not try this kinda shit.

Pack gator, where did you read of that offer?

hadn't heard that one.

[Packgator]

Pack gator, where did you read of that offer?

hadn't heard that one.

It was mentioned in a Silverstein blog (today) at jsonline.

[mraynrand]

He was UDFA with a specialty. There is Williams, House, Hayward and Hyde to step in (that's more than Ted usually has in stock when he lets someone go) plus whoever gets drafted, UDFA'd. I love Shields because as an ex receiver, when he had a chance to make a play, he made it, but there are better players out there.

this comment is interesting. Like all FAs, the Packers have a much better idea about Shield's ceiling than other team's GMs trying to sign him. Interesting to me is whether Shields has topped out or not. It seems like the Packers think he has. What we saw this past year may be the best Shields we will ever see. If so, that isn't worth more than 6-7/year.

[Patler]

As others have stated, over the years various Packer front office guys have said that Rosenhaus is actually one of the easier agents to work with during negotiations. Direct and efficient without a lot of wasted time in posturing. If he does that, it is before negotiations start. Agents have said the same about the Packers generally and Russ Ball specifically, that they are direct, honest and fair. I doubt there is deception or trickery going on, just a difference of opinion on Shields' worth in the market place.

It seems that whenever the Packers do re-sign one of their own, an awful lot of fans accuse the Packers of overvaluing their own. If they don't re-sign someone, its because they are obstinate.

[Guiness]

McGinn thought the GBP would sing Pickett. yeah, I'd take JJ back if he gets back from the neck procedure.

I've never heard TT's crooning skills, but maybe if MM does the harmony and Rodgers can warble some tenor notes they can convince him

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you guys give agents way too much credit, and must think all negotiations are moral and honest

agents don't give a shit about teams or being buddy-buddy with anyone, they're out to get as much money possible for them and their clients

by any means necessary

and by saying, the agent "can't act like that because it would ruin him in the eyes of all other teams, no one will trust him". give me a break. the agents have the talent. if you want the talent, you have to deal with the agent