Shield's testing the market

[woodbuck27]

This article covers the situation Packers and Sam Shields pretty well.

Unless something dramatic happens we've seen the last of this solid CB.

Ted !?? Uhh Ted... wake up man !

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014/3/1/5460012/sam-shields-packers-free-agency-2014-franchise-tag-transition-tag

Packers Free Agency 2014: No Deal Imminent with Sam Shields

By: Evan "Tex" Western  @TexWestern on Mar 1 2014, 11:20 AM


Tom Silverstein ✔ @TomSilverstein

" No way #Packers use the franchise/transition tag on Shields. If they were willing to pay $11M, they would have gotten a long-term deal done."


12:16 PM - 1 Mar 2014

Heh Ted !??

Sam Shields is our top FA and his play has been seen as deserving Re: staying as Packer.

We saw improved play from CB Tramon Williams late last season. We do have depth and youth at this very important position but the other fellas (Hayward, Hyde and House . . . " the 3 H's" all come with question marks !

Sam Shields is getting better all the time. TT cannot allow this man to hit the FA trail. The risk that he'll be gone is all TT should need as clear motivation to get Sam Shields signed.

Maybe Sam Shields agent is over pricing his client. He's 'only' worth what the market will bear. I don't want to see him hit that market with his talent....and upside still there.

GO PACK GO !

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

With 35 million in cap space this is not good news. I wonder what was offered by the packers that they turned down. If it was indeed 6-7 million, i think they have to let him walk like they did Jennings. Shields is a solid player, but he is not worth more than 7 million/year. He is still not all that great at tackling and if it wasn't for his speed he would get burnt more than often than not. He still has a lot to work on for his game to be worth more than 7 million/year. I just hope they didn't low ball him with a 4 or 5 million/year deal.

[Carolina_Packer]

The more I think about this the more obvious it is that TT has to get Sam Shields signed.

We're not going to win another Super Bowl anytime soon with "a great bean counter" as a GM.

GO PACK GO !

Be careful with "has to" in your first statement. I respect it when a team sets a cap number value on a guy and sticks to their guns, which leads to your second point, which is that you have to have a guy in the front office with a long term outlook on the cap and keeping it healthy.

Will any fan base be patting the GM on the back if they go "all in" on a team, putting themselves in an unfavorable cap situation, and not winning a Super Bowl? Then after coming up short, going through a rebuild? Are you OK with that possibility?

The truth about TT is that he's never going to get the team in trouble in terms of salary cap, because he's never going to take a wild chance. I think that's going to serve the team better in the long run.

[Bossman641]

It's this silent treatment in Green Bay that has to be disconcerting and IMO smacks of disregard /disrespect. [/B]

Silent treatment? Where are you getting that? They've been in constant contact, particularly over the past 2 weeks.

[woodbuck27]

With 35 million in cap space this is not good news. I wonder what was offered by the packers that they turned down. If it was indeed 6-7 million, i think they have to let him walk like they did Jennings. Shields is a solid player, but he is not worth more than 7 million/year. He is still not all that great at tackling and if it wasn't for his speed he would get burnt more than often than not. He still has a lot to work on for his game to be worth more than 7 million/year. I just hope they didn't low ball him with a 4 or 5 million/year deal.

UFA RCB Sam Shields:

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Sam-Shields/74bd59be-1dcb-4dce-ad23-1d8ec3333f24

I think we felt that RE: RCB Sam Shields ... a 4 year $24 million$ "ball park offer" with say 3 years and $12 - 16 million$ fully guaranteed would get it done. Does TT really want the headache of more heat on the Packers defensive backfield and damage control for that in this off season ?

TT should sign Sam Shields, coming off his best season as a high priority.

He's not going there if Sam Shields exclusive agent ( Drew Rosenhaus ) is trying to stroke TT for $ 7-8 million$ per season on a four year deal and too much of that fully guaranteed. whatever this agent is going to see if he can squeeze more $juice$ for his client and prove that he's a more than worth NFL players agent.

What we may have here is a clash of ego's and Ted Thompson Vs Drew Rosenhaus. This could... if it's the case, cost us a solid CB.

We have this but is it accurate?:

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2014/2/23/5438494/report-packers-cb-sam-shields-seeks-4-year-22-4-million-deal?utm_source=acmepackingcompany&utm_medium=nextclicks&utm_campaign=articlebottom

If so what can be the problem if its NOT Sam Shields agent and getting the maximum fir his client RCB Sam Shields.

I'm seeing it this way:

After TT signs RCB Sam Shields:

TT should focus on an upgrade in the middle of the OL. He'll most likely hang onto AJ Hawk as he pursues the record of most tackles All Time Green Bay Packers and he needs help. The depth chart has Jamari Lattimre (size 1? @ Ht: 6'-2" and Wt. : 237 lbs ...Age:25 Experience: 3 Yrs. ( 2011-13 ) behind MLB Brad Jones .

Quick Stats (2013): behind him and looking at *** MLB Jamari Lattimore (size !?) he's only 5 lbs lighter than MLB Brad Jones (who had his most productive season last inspite of only playing 12 games).

Jamari Lattimore:

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Jamari-Lattimore/7f7ddd1a-cd39-4da4-a122-182d2464be3e

Most of us agree that SS Morgan Burnett's (play fell off in 2013).

** We need to see both Morgan Burnett's and Jamari Lattimore's step it up this off season. With Lattimore maybe it's simply a case of electing him over Brad Jones. Giving his attitude and the past and responding to a challenge a first shot decision over Brad Jones. Jamari Lattimore has always answered the bell in his past. This time his size my be restrictive? In any case he's a solid ST's player and 'only' 25 years old.

++ MLB Brad Jones (6'-3" and 242 lbs) played 12 games and that had to be a distraction for him. All the same his stat's weren't all that bad as he had his best season as a Green Bay Packer overall coming on stream in 2009.

MLB Brad Jones:

++ http://www.packers.com/team/roster/B...a9ad-ad4ba468a

^^ SS Morgan Burnett ... and his productivity tackle wise fell off 22% in 2013 and he had zero Sacks.:

^^ http://www.packers.com/team/roster/M...8-26e03b0a9849

MLB backup Jamari Lattimore (he only started 4 games in 2013 and his first starts in his three years as a Green Bay Packer where his primary role had been on ST's in KO and punt return coverage where he's a Co-captain along with :

https://*** http://www.packers.com/t...2-182d2464be3e

Morgan Burnett and Jamari Lattimore:

** http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...5-a0f3b3c6cab0

I TRUST we agree that TT has to do major damage control to the center of our "D" period.

The middle of the defensive line is failing now in a big way with 2 of 3 gone ( B. J. Raji = 'Bust' and Johnny Jolly - Injury recovery) for the start, midway part of the 2014 season.


UFA DT Ryan Pickett: Age and Productivity (he's falling off):

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Ryan-Pickett/8947c554-f8bc-434c-a311-4431f3abacde

UFA DT B. J Raji ( a Bust in Green Bay with by far his worst play in a contract season last year):

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/B.J.-Raji/a7786824-303d-4168-b381-17c69a182ee7

UFA DT Johnny Jolly ... The Green Bay Packers most productive DT and Lost to a neck injury and recovery period ... by reports, the midway point of the 2014 season.

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/Johnny-Jolly/949e1325-490a-4135-8236-69a5b533a56f

[mraynrand]

Silent treatment? Where are you getting that? They've been in constant contact, particularly over the past 2 weeks.

This is what happens to you when Mary Pickford is your contemporary.

[woodbuck27]

Silent treatment? Where are you getting that? They've been in constant contact, particularly over the past 2 weeks.

It's the time it takes to get to this last two week period that I'm referring to?

It's how I've come to know Ted Thompson and his challenge with procrastination.

A suggestion: If you disagree with simply keep that to yourself. let's agree to disagree. Disagreeing here on any matter isn't in the final outcome going to change the water on the beans. Why try to engage a fight and controversy when your never going to back me down. I never back down. I look very hard to see something and get it right. Let's simply agree to disagree with me.


That's healthy all around (for Packerrats) and to go anywhere else is a reflection on "YOU" Bossman641 not me. really did you expect any other response from me. Would you be more pleased if I used a two word response as some and one member in particular does?

Bossman641 and anyone else (no need of names as your too obvious) that needs your ego stroked by lining up in concert Vs this packerrat:

Your not changing what I see and post here. If you ever imagine that might be... "your burning rubber" wrong.

As a member here I've every right that you do. Do I jump all over you as I often may disagree with you? No...

I choose to ignore some of your positions for the health of Packerrats so do the same and me please. Stop making it a personal mission to discredit me. That's a losing position and me. I see it my way and if that disagrees with your way deal with it in yourself. Don't go all "fetch the fricken' rope" on me. That's simple bullshit that you can or need to control bossman641

I feel I've always been mannerly with your ego needs. I might express this post with a concise "two word" response. I'm not sure that you and a few others here don't deserve "just that" !? Instead I again...offer this. The bottom line. I'm every bit the Packer fan that you are. I want, I expect, the same as you. A GM to get my team where I want to see it for all of Packer Nation. To where the Green Bay Packers are a legitimate Super bowl contender and not where it's been headed and getting worse for three straight seasons.

I don't support failure nor anything contributing towards such. I'm naturally analytical and I pay attention.

For the sake of all goodness. RELAX bossman641. This is getting embarrassing.

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

i didn't say that, someone else did, i said it was stupid if thats what tt is doing

i'm of the opinion that as soon as free agency opens, SS is as good as gone

its also my opinion that they should have been working at signing him for at least a year now, not just the last 2 weeks

I did not truly mean you were reporting it, only that you mentioned it in a post. It has since taken on a life of its own, with people assuming this is what the Packers and Thompson are doing.

[woodbuck27]

Be careful with "has to" in your first statement. I respect it when a team sets a cap number value on a guy and sticks to their guns, which leads to your second point, which is that you have to have a guy in the front office with a long term outlook on the cap and keeping it healthy.

Will any fan base be patting the GM on the back if they go "all in" on a team, putting themselves in an unfavorable cap situation, and not winning a Super Bowl? Then after coming up short, going through a rebuild? Are you OK with that possibility?

The truth about TT is that he's never going to get the team in trouble in terms of salary cap, because he's never going to take a wild chance. I think that's going to serve the team better in the long run.

SOLD ! and "TT has to".

TT doesn't have to do anything except "try his very best".

He has to try to do whatever is legitimately in his best judgement " BEST for the health of the Green Bay Packers".

I don't believe any form of undo procrstination helps in terms of that as a proper focus.

GO PACKERS GO !

[KYPack]

ALLEN ROSSUM.........Rossum told GB he would go otu and come back and allow them to match any offer he received

And then he went out, got his offer, and did not honor his word to come back to us and instead signed with the other team

There was another issue.

Rossum wanted to play DB in addition to returning.

ATL told him he could do both, Shermie only wanted to return kicks.

ATL basically lied to him, too.

Rossum only saw spot duty at DB.

[woodbuck27]

The more I think about this the more obvious it is that TT has to get Sam Shields signed.

TT has to consider the impact of losing Sam Shields in FA and the Packers locker room.

TT can't let them all walk.

It makes good sense to re-sign Sam Shields, ED-S and Mike Neal or those I feel are among the most important to be retained.

We're not going to win another Super Bowl anytime soon with "a great bean counter" as a GM.

GO PACK GO !

I'll add FB John Kunn and C.J. Wilson, coming off his most productive NFL season and arguably his best training camp, to my wish list and resigning.

http://www.packers.com/team/roster/C.J.-Wilson/e0fe2993-47b1-4bfc-b875-9b9f1dabb283

I offer this story on defensive lineman C. J. Wilson and 8 tackles in 8 games with zero games started and 2013 salary: $635,250 as to why I feel he should be seriously considered to be resigned.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20140124/PKR0101/140124023/Free-agent-countdown-No-15-C-J-Wilson

[pbmax]

Grimes signed a multi-year deal. One less guy on market, one less team in market.

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein 11m
Interested to see terms. Will speak to Shields' worth #Packers @bgrimey21 signs multi-year deal with @miamidolphins pic.twitter.com/s048QjGNjC

Parameters:
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 24m
Will be curious to see final terms of Brent Grimes deal with the #Dolphins. Last I heard they were discussing a three-year deal worth $21M.

Other reports say the final deal is for 4 years.

[Bossman641]

It's the time it takes to get to this last two week period that I'm referring to?

It's how I've come to know Ted Thompson and his challenge with procrastination.

A suggestion: If you disagree with simply keep that to yourself. let's agree to disagree. Disagreeing here on any matter isn't in the final outcome going to change the water on the beans. Why try to engage a fight and controversy when your never going to back me down. I never back down. I look very hard to see something and get it right. Let's simply agree to disagree with me.


That's healthy all around (for Packerrats) and to go anywhere else is a reflection on "YOU" Bossman641 not me. really did you expect any other response from me. Would you be more pleased if I used a two word response as some and one member in particular does?

Bossman641 and anyone else (no need of names as your too obvious) that needs your ego stroked by lining up in concert Vs this packerrat:

Your not changing what I see and post here. If you ever imagine that might be... "your burning rubber" wrong.

As a member here I've every right that you do. Do I jump all over you as I often may disagree with you? No...

I choose to ignore some of your positions for the health of Packerrats so do the same and me please. Stop making it a personal mission to discredit me. That's a losing position and me. I see it my way and if that disagrees with your way deal with it in yourself. Don't go all "fetch the fricken' rope" on me. That's simple bullshit that you can or need to control bossman641

I feel I've always been mannerly with your ego needs. I might express this post with a concise "two word" response. I'm not sure that you and a few others here don't deserve "just that" !? Instead I again...offer this. The bottom line. I'm every bit the Packer fan that you are. I want, I expect, the same as you. A GM to get my team where I want to see it for all of Packer Nation. To where the Green Bay Packers are a legitimate Super bowl contender and not where it's been headed and getting worse for three straight seasons.

I don't support failure nor anything contributing towards such. I'm naturally analytical and I pay attention.

For the sake of all goodness. RELAX bossman641. This is getting embarrassing.

GO PACK GO !

Woodbuck27, I asked you a question Woodbuck27. I thought you might have known something that I did not know Woodbuck27. Not every post is an attempt to discredit or take veiled shots at you. If Shields leaves for a reasonable offer I will be just as angry as you are.

[wist43]

Perhaps the way to go is "minimum wage" defense across the board - and load up on offense??

TT did nothing to help the defense in '11, and we were one of the worst in league history; he threw picks and money at the defense the last 2 years, and we've been one of the worst defenses in the league.

Since none of you seem to think the one common denominator, Mr. Spraypaintedhair, is to blame - then obviously TT has to be to blame. So, since TT and the Packers obviously suck at evaluating defensive personnel - just forget about drafting or signing defensive players altogether, only sign street FA's to minimum contracts - and go from there.

Since we're guarenteed to suck on defense no matter what - might as well go as cheap as possible.

[mraynrand]

TT ... he threw picks and money at the defense the last 2 years, and we've been one of the worst defenses in the league.

maybe that's how they all got injured