WTF: Packers and Raji Close to One Year Deal?

[Joemailman]

How the hell do you measure for incentives to a NT? Stats? Pro-bowl?

That's what I was wondering. NT's don't usually have big stats. He's been durable, so it wouldn't be games played.

[Joemailman]

Trouble is, he's not a true NT - and never will be.

I love Raji as a player, but b/c he's misused, I hope for his sake that he walks... it's his choice though. We'll see.

So if he's not a NT, and the Packers shouldn't play so much 2-4, how would you use Raji? 1-Tech?

[Fritz]

If you were one of the many teams who missed the playoffs yet are tight against the cap, you'd call TT a pretty good negotiator. Not William Shatner good, but, y'know, pretty good.

[pbmax]

i disagree

didn't randy moss use us for this exact same thing a few years back? and jennings took our deal and brought it to the queens. hell he might have just given shields a number to shop a couple days ago

looking at some of the deals he's made lately (brad jones, burnett) and some he's tried to make (8 million for the slug raji, shields failure), i wouldn't exactly call him "too" good of a negotiator

At some point you need to make an offer and unlike several car dealerships in the area believe, its still legal to walk out and shop elsewhere armed with that knowledge.

You could say it disappears at midnight on Friday night, but its such a team friendly deal I doubt anyone buys that.

[Fritz]

I for one would be happy to see Raji back on a one year deal.

[Bretsky]

Let's call a spade a spade

The only way Raji signs a deal is if nobody else wants him and values him as being worth it

Raji was near worthless last year

Rather than throwing 4MIL his way, if the market is going to be soft for DL....why don't we spend 2-3MIL more a year on somebody who might really help us ?

Just another train of though

I'm ok to take him back at 4MIL a Year; hell we pay junk that. But much more......I'lll be happy with somebody else

[mraynrand]

^^^ good post. But who can we get for Raji money? Realistically.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

I kind of had a feeling we weren't completely done with raji just yet. If I'm Tt I put a deadline for him the sign the deal. Say this offer is on the table only until the start of free agency and then remove the offer. Make him fear getting even less in free agency.

[red]

^^^ good post. But who can we get for Raji money? Realistically.

tyson jackson, and or mount cody. probably both for what we're about to give raji

[mraynrand]

tyson jackson, and or mount cody. probably both for what we're about to give raji

check out this article; looks like Jackson did something last year similar to what Raji is considering this year

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/2...ree-agent-2014

The way I look at it is this: Is Jackson a better option than what you've got right now?

His skill-set on early downs is somewhat unique for the Chiefs in that they don't have any obvious candidates to replace him besides Allen Bailey, who has been a sub package player in his time in Kansas City. Sure, they could sign someone or spend a first round pick on a player to replace him. But haven't you had enough defensive linemen in the first round? I know I have.

If you can agree with me that there are no obvious candidates to replace Jackson's production on all downs (a role Bailey traditionally hasn't played), then you can agree that the Chiefs should at least explore bringing Jackson back.

I don't know how much Jackson seeks on the open market. Last year he reportedly took a $10 million straight pay cut to stay with the Chiefs, from $14.7 million to $4.2 million. That tells you that Jackson didn't expect to get more than $4 million on the open market. That number should get you in the ballpark, give or take a million or two per year, of what he could potentially command this year. Even $4 million per year, which is what Mike DeVito makes, might be too much, but these are things you find out by looking into it. (And the Chiefs have surely looked into it either way ... they just didn't tell me what they found out).

The reason I want the Chiefs to explore bringing Jackson back is not so much because Jackson is so good that they must have him back ... it's because they don't have a lot of other options. That's not a very compelling reason to spend lots of money on someone but it just makes me nervous to think that the Chiefs have such a question mark there.

[Bretsky]

^^^ good post. But who can we get for Raji money? Realistically.

I was about the first to pimp Tyson Jackson......did Randy Starks (bobbles guy) ever sign ?
Raji was not productive; I think we can find pluggers. I'd like to find production.
Would Michael Bennett fit in ?

[gbgary]

4m and moving him back to nt...fine.

[woodbuck27]

See post #74 for "the short version" of what I feel about this surprizing move.


Packer fans @ or some Packerrats are excited and or perplexed:

That Green Bay Packer GM Ted Thompson has placed a value on BJ Raji of one half his original offer of $8 million$ or $4 million$ with an incentive added clause with a value of up to an additional $2.5 million$.

A total possible $6.5 million$ offer for a player ( B.J. Raji ) we saw "do next to nothing", as the 2013 season went on".

Add to that the fact that over the course of two seasons B. J. Raji produced zippo ... zero Sacks.

This is clearly stubbornness and EGO driven nonsense on behalf of Ted Thompson. Ted just cannot let go of a player he drafted so high and admit to "the bust label".

So maybe BJ Raji will be moved to NT and Ryan Pickett offered the vet minimum and he'll walk. Why B.J. Raji and NT?

He cannot eat up one block, moreso two blockers. A retention of this lump is more than wishful thinking and use as the Nose Tackle... as a two down DLman.

Here's another prime example of what bugs me about Ted Thompson: Look at Ted Thompson and his fairness policy. BJ Raji gets "stroked" for doing zippo. By the reports I read, WR James Jones and possibly CB Sam Shields (both productive Green Bay Packers) get the message to walk.

What is Green Bay? The farm system for the remainder of the NFL? Green Bay and Ted Thompson "only" keep players that cannot find employment elsewhere. Especially that certainly appears to be the case if that player was a Ted Thompson high draft pick?

is Ted's EGO the Green Bay Packers worst enemy!?

BJ Raji of all UFA's possibly on the move by all reports gets awarded another season of playing ........for what? That doesn't include Ted Thompson's EGO !?

This offer is very possibly $6.5 million$ of CAP space that should be far better weighed and offered to a more productive player (s). Certainly not handed out to a player that was manhandled by the oppositions OL in a contract year.

BJ Raji was awful in 2013. As a parting gift. Ted Thompson has decided he deserves "a $4 million$ guranteee"; possible bonus's adding up to to another $2.5 million$....for "a rental" !?

Ted Thompson proves I'm correct about him again and yet this is worse than I'd ever imagine. It's "All Caps" ... NUT'S !

[woodbuck27]

The short version of my longer post (previous):

This is shocking news!

This is a clear case " of good into bad ".

[wist43]

Spraypainted Hair commits 2 guys to stopping the run, 2!! Usually Raji and Pickett. As I've pointed out, it's not even 2-gapping, it's 2 on 5... and then behind them, we have 2 of the worst starting ILB's in the league, neither of whom can take on a block and shed.

What do you expect of Raji and Pickett?? Capers is asking them to do the impossible, and when they fail, you guys act like it's their fault?? You can't evaluate any of the defensive players, b/c Capers does not put them in positons to be successful - that's the bottom line. Everyone on our defense is a mess.