WTF: Packers and Raji Close to One Year Deal?

[Bretsky]

I don't think Raji wants to be here; every indication was he wanted his shot at Free Agency and he turned down what would have been a nightmarish contract for us. Now his agent finds out there is limited interest and he considers a one year deal from us.

I say PASS

[Bretsky]

Investing in the defense doesn't make any sense as long as Capers is our DC.

We have a shitload of 1st and 2nd round picks in the front seven, and we have one of the worst front sevens in football - not b/c of talent, or lack thereof, but b/c Capers misuses all of them.

So regardless of what TT brings in, they will be misused by Capers; e.g., it doesn't make any sense to waste resources on that side of the ball. Bum mine in the lower rds and FA, don't resign anybody, and go to a minimum wage defense.

It's either that - or you guys have to admit that TT has missed on all those draft picks?? And if he's missed on just about everyone of those guys - it only stands to reason he will continue to miss, no??

Does anyone know the guy who writes slogans on the fence across from Lambeau?? Maybe we could get him to write - "Fire Capers, please!!!"

I still don't buy into the Dom is Satan theory you have....and you know I'm one of the bottom five guys one would argue is a homer in here
I do think TT has MISSED a ton lately on draft picks.....which is why you use a combo of drafts and free agency in case you MISS
John Schneider, anyone ????

You can't deny the incompetence we have at safety. And regardless of how much you hate DOM....you have to admit upgrading from crap like Just a Jag Jones or whoever our #2 safety was last year would be huge regardless of the coordinator

[wist43]

I still don't buy into the Dom is Satan theory you have....and you know I'm one of the bottom five guys one would argue is a homer in here
I do think TT has MISSED a ton lately on draft picks.....which is why you use a combo of drafts and free agency in case you MISS
John Schneider, anyone ????

You can't deny the incompetence we have at safety. And regardless of how much you hate DOM....you have to admit upgrading from crap like Just a Jag Jones or whoever our #2 safety was last year would be huge regardless of the coordinator

See, that's just it - I don't think TT has missed on the draft picks. They just aren't good fits for a 3-4.

So logically, if I don't think TT has missed on those players, yet our results are dismal and worse, there has to be blame somewhere. Sun Tzu would immediately look at the General who is calling the shots.

I like just about all those players... I like Jones well enough (didn't want him b/c he isn't a good fit); liked Daniels coming out, but said he needed to be used properly; Raji same thing; Perry is definitely being misused - to the point that he really shouldn't even be on the field. The others have had injury problems, but Hawk was a miss - I thought he would at least not be a complete bust, even though I didn't want him at #5; of course Jones was overpaid and shouldn't have been resigned.

In general, I like the talent okay... but from the start have argued that you can't play them in a std 3-4 alignment. Worse is trying to get them to fit into a 2-4. Of course we've seen that the results have been dismal. By the rules of the Art of War, the blame has to be laid at the feet of the General - who is Capers.

[Bretsky]

See, that's just it - I don't think TT has missed on the draft picks. They just aren't good fits for a 3-4.

So logically, if I don't think TT has missed on those players, yet our results are dismal and worse, there has to be blame somewhere. Sun Tzu would immediately look at the General who is calling the shots.

I like just about all those players... I like Jones well enough (didn't want him b/c he isn't a good fit); liked Daniels coming out, but said he needed to be used properly; Raji same thing; Perry is definitely being misused - to the point that he really shouldn't even be on the field. The others have had injury problems, but Hawk was a miss - I thought he would at least not be a complete bust, even though I didn't want him at #5; of course Jones was overpaid and shouldn't have been resigned.

In general, I like the talent okay... but from the start have argued that you can't play them in a std 3-4 alignment. Worse is trying to get them to fit into a 2-4. Of course we've seen that the results have been dismal. By the rules of the Art of War, the blame has to be laid at the feet of the General - who is Capers.

DOM Capers has brought in the 3=4 defense and it's had a run of being good
The GM would NOT admit that the players he drafted were not good fits for the 3-4
It was glaringly obvious a guy like Nick Perry was miscast in this defense but TT still picked him figuring he'd be just fine
If the GM is drafting buys who obviously don't fit a defense why is that on the coach ?
Also, the cluelessness of the secondary with the mental mistakes has made it painfully obvious we need more veterans back there with this defense....as others like pb have brought up
To me that is not all DOM

Don't get me wrong here; I supported a change at DC....but I still think DOM is average.......but with that being said, our GM has f'cked up some lately and could be better

[Bretsky]

TT knows what offense and what defense we are running. We're not drafting offensive players who are horrid fits in the system. Ditto for defense. Need players that fit into the system.
If we are brining in players who don't fit the coaching goals of what we are trying to do that is on the GM IMO

[mraynrand]

listening to Wist is like watching the movie 'Nebraska' - Bruce Dern is Capers and Wist is his wife.

[3irty1]

Wist's hate of Dom runs deeeeeeeeep. Remember when he started a thread called "Fire Capers" after the 2010 Cardinals playoff game? Anyways I can't buy the "pin it all on Dom" theory as it makes too many assumptions. For a player to be classified as misused, they have to first succeed while being used differently. College schemes don't count either because those projections are subject to a very high nfl-wide bust rate, particularly in the front 7. I believe that leaves nobody to be called "misused" without a side of baseless assumption. Not saying its never the case, just saying that its a lot more likely that it takes everyone sucking together to make the 10th or whatever defense fall to the 25th in a matter of weeks and the red-faced bar rants about Capers are just much needed forum fuel.

Actually I changed my mind, here's a thought: What if Dom is really giving our players date rape drugs and pulling their hamstrings in order to never run out of injury excuses and keep his job forever? What if he's a Bears double agent and saboteur????!!!!

[KYPack]

Deep hate is good.

I tried for years to hate Tank as much as Wist hates Dom.

But....

I failed.

[mraynrand]

here's a thought: What if Dom is really giving our players date rape drugs and pulling their hamstrings in order to never run out of injury excuses and keep his job forever? What if he's a Bears double agent and saboteur????!!!!

That's about as likely as Dom going from a terrible coach in 2009, to a great coach in 2010 back to a terrible coach in 2011. I'd hate to think it's more changes in personnel than Dom, because then I might have to engage in rational analysis.

[mraynrand]

Deep hate is good.

I tried for years to hate Tank as much as Wist hates Dom.

But....

I failed.

let go your hate

[red]

PULL THE OFFER TED, PULL THE OFFER

yesterday has come on gone and he didn't sign, he is now shopping the offer, trying to get away

pull the rug out from under the fat lazy bastard

[pbmax]

PULL THE OFFER TED, PULL THE OFFER

yesterday has come on gone and he didn't sign, he is now shopping the offer, trying to get away

pull the rug out from under the fat lazy bastard

For what its worth red, according to Wilde, public opinion is with you. So if Murphy or T2 are answering their phones your work may not be in vain.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Or better yet put a deadline on it. Pressure him to make a decision and gamble losing even more money. Give him the weekend and then pull the offer.

[wist43]

From the second we hired Capers I've said he has it in him to be a good coach - but I don't trust him. I didn't trust him when we hired him, and I don't trust him now.

He is perfectly capable of engineering a good game plan - the last 49er game is an example of him actually not totally sucking. He played more straight up 3-4, and we held our own against the Niners - and that is with personnel that aren't a good fit for the 3-4.

So I have no doubt Capers could get the job done - if he wakes up that morning and his head isn't up his ass. Problem is, he wakes up most mornings with his head up his ass, and we end up with idiotic game plans. Capers cannot be trusted - from day one he couldn't be trusted.

There's a reason he lasts 5 years in one place, and then gets fired... unfortunately TT and MM are a little slow on the uptake, and then didn't fire Capers when he clearly should have been fired.

[wist43]

Wist's hate of Dom runs deeeeeeeeep. Remember when he started a thread called "Fire Capers" after the 2010 Cardinals playoff game? Anyways I can't buy the "pin it all on Dom" theory as it makes too many assumptions. For a player to be classified as misused, they have to first succeed while being used differently. College schemes don't count either because those projections are subject to a very high nfl-wide bust rate, particularly in the front 7. I believe that leaves nobody to be called "misused" without a side of baseless assumption. Not saying its never the case, just saying that its a lot more likely that it takes everyone sucking together to make the 10th or whatever defense fall to the 25th in a matter of weeks and the red-faced bar rants about Capers are just much needed forum fuel.

Actually I changed my mind, here's a thought: What if Dom is really giving our players date rape drugs and pulling their hamstrings in order to never run out of injury excuses and keep his job forever? What if he's a Bears double agent and saboteur????!!!!

They're misused b/c of their skill set - we can all see what they do well, and what they don't do well.

Perry is useless in space - yet Capers tries to play him space; Raji is useless as a 2-gapper, yet Capers tries to play him as a 2-gapper; Daniels and Jones haven't been misused - perhaps b/c their skill sets are soooooo miscast in the 3-4 that even an idiot like Capers can see it. Then there is the 2-4 itself - we are mind numbingly weak at MLB; yet Spraypainted Hair devises game plans in which 2 of our weakest players never come off the field??

All of that reeks of misuse. TT may have drafted players miscast for a 3-4, but Capers certainly had to have some input in those picks, and Capers is responsible for making the best out of what is available to him.

I do place blame on TT - but I place the majority of the blame on Capers - and rightly so. The General on the field ultimately has the responsibility.

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Since I brought Sun Tzu up - consider his tactics against the superior forces of Chu. He never attacks directly - it would be foolish, he would be wiped out. Chu fields a 10-1 advantage in personnel. He has to find another way.

When Chu threatens the Cai province, an ally of Wu - Sun Tzu and his meager army are all that stands in the way of Cai being destroyed. Sun Tzu does not attack directly, rather he shows himself to the enemy - and then runs. Nong Wa, the commander of the Chu forces never figues Sun Tzu out - he is drunk with arrogance b/c his forces are so superior. When he sees Sun Tzu run he abandons his attack on Cai, and gives chase to Sun Tzu. Thus Sun Tzu has saved Cai without a single battle.

Now with Nong Wa in hot pursuit - Sun Tzu does the unthinkable, he splits his forces, and leaves part of his army behind. Nong Wa thinks he can make quick work of the part of Sun Tzu's army that is left behind - but what he doesn't realize, is that he has been manuevered out of position to defend his homeland, and now Sun Tzu's army that stayed on the move is heading straight for the Chu capital.

Nong Wa now realizes what Sun Tzu is doing, and breaks off the chase with the part of the army that was left behind, and takes off after Sun Tzu. But Sun Tzu never has any intention of attacking the capital, he is just moving pieces on the board to manuever Nong Wa into a trap. As Nong Wa gives chase, the part of Sun Tzu's army that he left behind, follows behind Nong Wa. Sun Tzu stops his advance on ground that is favorable to attacking the enemy coming up behind him - and that is where he chooses to fight. Sun Tzu's forces coming up behind Nong Wa now trap him between Sun Tzu's forces.

The army of Chu - outnumbering Sun Tzu's forces 10-1, is wiped out.

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The point is - there is always a way. You use what you have. Attack what is weak, avoid what is strong. Use your enemies superior strength against him. Capers doesn't do this... he does not use what he is given to the best of their ability. Raji should not be playing as a 2-gap; Hawk and Jones should not be on the field as much as they are; he should never be employing the 2-4; Perry should only be used in pass rush situations from a down lineman position; etc.

Capers does none of these things - hence, he is misusing his resources.