James Starks back on 2 year deal

[denverYooper]

So he'll play in either 9 or 12 games this year. Depends on whether you think his games played in an even number year with increase by 3, or double.

Look who's all ready for the ACT .

[woodbuck27]

Its clear to me now that Mike McCarthy doesn't have any idea how to use his personnel and that Thompson has no idea how to assign cap value to offensive assets.. A running game? In today's game? Is he Chip Kelly? Or just a modern version of "the playoffs are good enough" Schottenheimer?

Even McGinn knows its only cold for December and maybe a playoff game or two. What will the offense do the other 12 games? Draw plays on 3rd and 8?

You put that slow, lumbering attack out there and teams like the Broncos, Patriots, Saints and Bears are simply going to outscore it. By the time M3 decides which back will have a 5 yard gain on first down, Manning will pass three times and score twice. That's 14-0. DO THE MATH!!

Yes the money would have been better spent on James Jones and he would have been estatic to return.

We have lots at RB and I like James Starks.

All the same it would have been (Aaron Rodgers >>> James Jones) more assurance with the situation next off season and Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb as UFA's to retain the WR over the RB. I see the TT gave him a 2 year contract and as I posted earlier in another thread. Maybe that was the max. time that TT had Russ Ball offer James Jones; and 'of course' he got three years signing in Oakland.

The NFL is a pass driven league NOT running driven. I'm disappointed that TT didn't value James Jones more.

The running game and blocking...what's up with TT and FB John Kuhn !?

This fella is a fan favourite......Kuuuuuuhn ! We don't get past da Bears without John Kuhn's huge block last season on Julius Peppers in the last play of the game that secured the huge win.

GO PACK GO !

[Guiness]

Yes the money would have been better spent on James Jones and he would have been estatic to return.

We have lots at RB and I like James Starks.

All the same it would have been (Aaron Rodgers >>> James Jones) more assurance with the situation next off season and Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb as UFA's to retain the WR over the RB. I see the TT gave him a 2 year contract and as I posted earlier in another thread. Maybe that was the max. time that TT had Russ Ball offer James Jones; and 'of course' he got three years signing in Oakland.

The NFL is a pass driven league NOT running driven. I'm disappointed that TT didn't value James Jones more.

The running game and blocking...what's up with TT and FB John Kuhn !?

This fella is a fan favourite......Kuuuuuuhn ! We don't get past da Bears without John Kuhn's huge block last season on Julius Peppers in the last play of the game that secured the huge win.

GO PACK GO !

I suspect the JJ decision was based on 2 things - they are happy with the development of Boykin as the #3, and may have decided he has already surpassed Jones, and the desire for the #4 and 5 WRs to be more developmental/ST roles.

If Boykin pushed Jones down to the #4 role there was probably very little chance he made the team out of TC, so the Pack would not want to give him much guaranteed.

[pbmax]

With Jones gone, will there be half as many deep throws on 3rd and short or will Nelson see the ball twice as much in that situation?

[Fritz]

The latter.

Or if Cobb's healthy, he'll get those throws.

[mraynrand]

Will we keep all 4 RBs and Kuhn??

I think it depends on whether McCarthy trusts his backup QB situation. Last year, Kuhn was calling protections and getting people lined up properly when Flynn was tossed in there. Is Kuhn expendable? Probably. Will McCarthy euthanize his favorite pet? Unlikely.

[denverYooper]

I think it depends on whether McCarthy trusts his backup QB situation. Last year, Kuhn was calling protections and getting people lined up properly when Flynn was tossed in there. Is Kuhn expendable? Probably. Will McCarthy euthanize his favorite pet? Unlikely.

At the very least, they're content to let the old dog out without a leash. If he saunters off and finds a quiet place to lie down for eternity, so be it. Most likely he'll go pee a few shrubs and come back in for supper.

[mraynrand]

As long as he doesn't chew up the carpet or soil the furniture, Stubby will keep him around, even if he has to convince TT that the fleas and worms are really a good thing.

[KYPack]

I like having Starks. His style compliments Eddie pretty well. The pounder and the slasher. Starks has improved from terrible in pass pro to adequate and his rushing is a good asset. I've always felt James upright running style leaves him susceptible to injury, but that ain't exactly a secret by now.

Now it's a competition for that 3rd spot. Both guys are scat backs, liabilities in pass pro. Harris is real small, but sticks his nose in there. Franklin is a little bigger, but is basically clueless about protection, so it will be interesting to see how those two shake out. MM seems to have a thing about Harris, feels he is a weapon. If DuJuan's knee is sound, he'd seem to have the inside track.

FB? We've got one on the roster. This probably deserves it's own thread.

[denverYooper]

As long as he doesn't chew up the carpet or soil the furniture, Stubby will keep him around, even if he has to convince TT that the fleas and worms are really a good thing.

People have been known to keep their favorite pets around long after incontinence becomes a fact of life.

[3irty1]

I hope this signing doesn't mean the end for Harris. Harris was the real deal at the end of 2012.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

People have been known to keep their favorite pets around long after incontinence becomes a fact of life.

Old people too. Not that I know of any people like that....

Just sayin....

[pbmax]

I like having Starks. His style compliments Eddie pretty well. The pounder and the slasher.

This. A thousand times this. M3 doesn't go much for zigging when the opponent expects you to zag. He pretty much tries to dictate once he sees your defense aligned. If you crowd the box and play single safety, Rodgers is expected to channel Daryl Lamonica.

Starks was instant game plan scrambler for McCarthy. You could see the defenses not ready for the ZBS blocking nor his takeoff speed through the hole after his cut. It was astonishing to see it executed so well. Just like Jeff Jagodzinski drew it up in 2006.

[pbmax]

DuJuan Harris 2012

[B]2012 Regular Season[/B]
                                           Rush Rush Rush Rush Rece Rece Rece Rece Scor Scor
Rk    G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result  Att  Yds  Y/A   TD  Rec  Yds  Y/R   TD   TD  Pts
1    13 2012-12-09 24-097 GNB  DET W 27-20    7   31 4.43    1    0    0         0    1    6
2    14 2012-12-16 24-104 GNB  CHI W 21-13    5   27 5.40    0    0    0         0    0    0
3    15 2012-12-23 24-111 GNB  TEN  W 55-7    8   29 3.63    1    0    0         0    1    6
4    16 2012-12-30 24-118 GNB  MIN L 34-37   14   70 5.00    0    2   17 8.50    0    0    0
           4 Games                   3-1-0   34  157 4.62    2    2   17 8.50    0    2   12
[B]2012 Playoffs[/B]                                                                                             
                                           Rush Rush Rush Rush Rece Rece  Rece Rece Scor Scor
Rk    G       Date    Age  Tm  Opp  Result  Att  Yds  Y/A   TD  Rec  Yds   Y/R   TD   TD  Pts
1    17 2013-01-05 24-124 GNB  MIN W 24-10   17   47 2.76    1    5   53 10.60    0    1    6
2    18 2013-01-12 24-131 GNB  SFO L 31-45   11   53 4.82    1    2   11  5.50    0    1    6
           2 Games                   1-1-0   28  100 3.57    2    7   64  9.14    0    2   12

OK. Help me along here. I remember him getting better as he got more carries and he had some nice runs that other backs were not breaking that year. The O line wasn't doing him many favors, though EDS did help after he went in for Saturday.

When did Harris convince you he had it?

[mraynrand]

Stubby claimed to have a whole offense for Harris before he got hurt last year. Either that's still true and Harris is in like Fynn, or Stubby changed his mind when he saw what he had in Lacy and Starks duo. Or both. If they keep Harris, it is both of course. Question is, is whether Stubby was just engaging in wishful thinking, or if he really though he had something special in Harris. Question 2 is whether the offense can do both the Lacy/Stark plug duo and a Harris offense in the same game plan. Seems like a lot on the table, but if the Pack doesn't replace Finley and Jones, maybe it becomes necessary.