Where do we think the Packers rate in the NFC ???

[HarveyWallbangers]

A healthy Packers team can compete with any team in the NFC. Seattle might be in its own tier after the Super Bowl blowout, but they are likely to suffer from the Super Bowl hangover. They aren't invincible. They clearly have holes in their passing offense. And things change every year. I'll be interested in seeing how the roster looks after the draft.

[vince]

A healthy Packers team can compete with any team in the NFC. Seattle might be in its own tier after the Super Bowl blowout, but they are likely to suffer from the Super Bowl hangover. They aren't invincible. They clearly have holes in their passing offense. And things change every year. I'll be interested in seeing how the roster looks after the draft.

It would be great of Bulaga could put together a string of health. He's all-pro caliber right tackle IF healthy. If the line can stay relatively healthy all year, I think the offense will be tough to stop. A WR and TE is really all the more anyone could ask for. They'll fill the center position. Shit they filled it with EDS. They'll do it again.

They maybe need a couple pieces on defense but it's very possible those pieces could be added through the draft. If the draft is a decent one - and I'm reading that it's supposed to be very deep this year - and you get three or four quality contributors - it's not too hard to predict which areas they'd be likely to fill - you could have a pretty complete team - depending on injury which if it happens to Rodgers, Matthews, Sitton, Shields, and maybe a couple others depending on how the rest of the offseason goes. would be a huge factor again.

[gbgary]

when healthy we're a top 5 team.

[ThunderDan]

If you are going to theorize who could be NFC champs, and if you are going to throw all those teams in the box I think you should definitely add Philadelphia and the Bears as well.

I don't get the Bear love at all.

In 2012 they go 10-6 and miss the playoffs and Lovie gets fired,

IN 2013 they go 8-8 and miss the playoffs with a choke job against GB in the last week of the season. They are 2 games worse than the last year and only in the playoff hunt in 2013 because Detroit imploded and ARod got hurt.

[ThunderDan]

I don't get the Bear love at all.

In 2012 they go 10-6 and miss the playoffs and Lovie gets fired,

IN 2013 they go 8-8 and miss the playoffs with a choke job against GB in the last week of the season. They are 2 games worse than the last year and only in the playoff hunt in 2013 because Detroit imploded and ARod got hurt.

In fact if ARod doesn't go down in the first CHI/GB game the Bears aren't even a 500 team in 2013.

[ThunderDan]

I see the emergence of the GB running game as a reason to keep them in the top tier. No one and I mean no one will want to play GB will a healthy ARod and Lacy/Starks combo. If the D can make an improvement to middle of the pack next year we are in a good position to make the Super Bowl.

[mraynrand]

I don't get the Bear love at all.

In 2012 they go 10-6 and miss the playoffs and Lovie gets fired,

IN 2013 they go 8-8 and miss the playoffs with a choke job against GB in the last week of the season. They are 2 games worse than the last year and only in the playoff hunt in 2013 because Detroit imploded and ARod got hurt.

At the end of 2012, I thought they were on a path to be a 3-5 win team in 2013. They straightened out the offense and I'm worried they might have similar success this year with the defense. So far, I'm not impressed with their off season moves. Wait and see I guess.

[Pugger]

If you are going to theorize who could be NFC champs, and if you are going to throw all those teams in the box I think you should definitely add Philadelphia and the Bears as well.

The Bears? Please. If you are going in include the Bears then add the Lions.

I do think Philly belongs in the conversation, however.

[Joemailman]

The Bears defense was so bad last year they went out and signed M.D. Jennings. They have a QB who was not as good his backup last year, who is now gone. I don't get the Bear love.

[mraynrand]

The Bears defense was so bad last year they went out and signed M.D. Jennings. They have a QB who was not as good his backup last year, who is now gone. I don't get the Bear love.

Cutler is a flawed human being, but the Chicago offense has multiple weapons; the rookie WR they drafted last year could be as good as Jeffery. In many ways, they are a mirror image of the Packers: Good offense, suspect defense. The difference is that the Packers just have better defensive personnel, APRH. But the Chicago front office looks much improved.

[red]

The Bears defense was so bad last year they went out and signed M.D. Jennings. They have a QB who was not as good his backup last year, who is now gone. I don't get the Bear love.

and we lost that shit safety and have replaced him with nothing

at this point wouldn't that make us worse off at the position

as for the bears only being 8-8 last year, i guess injuries only matter when making excuses about why the packers sucked last year

the bears are closer to us then people want to believe

now having said that, i have no doubt the bears will go 2-14 next season and make me look like a complete asshole

[Joemailman]

Cutler is a flawed human being, but the Chicago offense has multiple weapons; the rookie WR they drafted last year could be as good as Jeffery. In many ways, they are a mirror image of the Packers: Good offense, suspect defense. The difference is that the Packers just have better defensive personnel, APRH. But the Chicago front office looks much improved.

Cutler is a flawed quarterback. His receivers were as good as any team in the NFL last year, yet he was 13th in passer rating. As long as he is running the offense, the Bears will not be in the top tier.

[mraynrand]

and we lost that shit safety and have replaced him with nothing

at this point wouldn't that make us worse off at the position

nope. + by - And the Packers have enough guys on the squad right now to field a functional secondary, better than last year, APRH

[mraynrand]

Cutler is a flawed quarterback. His receivers were as good as any team in the NFL last year, yet he was 13th in passer rating. As long as he is running the offense, the Bears will not be in the top tier.

I go further; Cutler is a flawed human being. There is something wrong with him as a leader of men; something wrong with his psyche. So I think he will always self-destruct at some point. But his physical talent is undeniable, and I think the offensive coaching staff will get the best out of him. He was hurt last year as well. If the front office straightens out the defense, they could be a real threat. A lot now depends on whether you get the 22 sack Jared or

[red]

nope. + by - And the Packers have enough guys on the squad right now to field a functional secondary, better than last year, APRH

how can they be a better unit then they were last year when they are the exact same people?

unless it really is + by -, and IF hayward can comeback from his injury, and IF hyde is moved to and can play safety.

but if the plan is hyde at safety, and hayward can't come back, then we're in big trouble imo