WOW Cleveland just cant get anything right

[Freak Out]

Can't fix stupid.

[MadScientist]

yeah, browns really needed to draft a WR this year. looks like their top guy might be done for good

getting a DWI on the eve of your indefinite suspension hearing is never a good thing

My first thought was that he was like Jolly, too addicted and with lousy 'friends', but DWI can easily hurt innocent people. Maybe a few months in jail will cure him, because nothing else has come close to working.

[wist43]

My first thought was that he was like Jolly, too addicted and with lousy 'friends', but DWI can easily hurt innocent people. Maybe a few months in jail will cure him, because nothing else has come close to working.

Jail worked for me, lol...

I was a wild, druggin, fightin, red neck, lol... woke up in jail completely bleary eyed and trying to remember what went down last night on more than one occassion

I didn't have millions of $$ on the line though... he needs to be surrounded by a good support system, take his keys away, and get his mind involved on other things that might interest him.

He obvioulsy didn't have any parenting, or at least very bad parenting. I can relate as I was on my own at 16. It's not an excuse, but what young kid has a clue about anything without a caring adult guiding them and teaching them?? I didn't get things figured out until I was about 23 or 24 - by then a kid can fuck himself right into prison for the rest of his life.

There is a school of thought in Cleveland that if Gordon is suspended for a significant period of time, he will likely never play football again, as he will likely succumb to his immaturity and the bad influences of the idiots around him.

As Patrick Swayze said, "... there's always barber college"

[Just Jeff]

As Patrick Swayze said, "... there's always barber college"

Another great Oline pick by TT.

help, I can't stop

[pbmax]

Another great Oline pick by TT.

help, I can't stop

Actually, if you keep going down this line, with the number of T2's picks still playing and often starting for other teams, you might eventually realize the error in your critique.

Patler has a thread of former Packers still playing, its somewhere on this board.

[Patler]

Yup, and Allen Barbre is a good example.

He is expected to be the Eagles starting RT for the first four games if Lane Johnson is suspended. He bounced around after leaving GB, was suspended himself while with the Seahawks, but has found a home in Philadelphia. They signed him for two years last year, then this summer added a three year extension to the one year still remaining, so now he is signed through 2017. Not a huge contract by an means, but he got something like $600K in signing bonus, $150K in workout bonus, and has salaries of $1.25 M in 2015-2017. The Eagles figure him to be their primary backup at both guards and both tackles.

A 4th round pick who is still playing in any role 8 years after he was drafted wasn't a poor selection. The fact that he could never get it together in GB makes me wonder about Campen, especially when the Eagles extended his contract for three years a full year before they had to.

Here is a guys film breakdown on Barbre's game against the Packers last year:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/s...our-weeks.html

[Freak Out]

Thank you Patler.

[Just Jeff]

Sorry but a GM who is infamous for resigning his own picks, and doesn't sign his own guy. He may go on to be a HOF lineman, but in GB he was average on his best days.

[Guiness]

Sorry but a GM who is infamous for resigning his own picks, and doesn't sign his own guy. He may go on to be a HOF lineman, but in GB he was average on his best days.

If you think the Pack should've retained Barbre, you'd be the only one. He was playing awfully, and didn't put it all together until after he bounced around the league for 2 or 3 more seasons. He was nothing short of awful during his time with the Packers, even if you ignore the punching of a coach.

[Patler]

Barbre is an interesting topic.

Should he have been drafted? Certainly, he has had a career spanning 8 years, and is signed for years 9-11. Obviously he has talent worthy of the NFL
Should they have let him get away? (I don't remember if he was cut, or simply not resigned as a free agent). Again, I say "yes". He was awful in GB.

For me, the important question is why did he have to leave GB to find himself?

[bobblehead]

Barbre is an interesting topic.

Should he have been drafted? Certainly, he has had a career spanning 8 years, and is signed for years 9-11. Obviously he has talent worthy of the NFL
Should they have let him get away? (I don't remember if he was cut, or simply not resigned as a free agent). Again, I say "yes". He was awful in GB.

For me, the important question is why did he have to leave GB to find himself?

I am buying into the coach theory. I have now witnessed both Babre and Newhouse suddenly regress and forget that its a contact sport. Both guys suddenly became guys that were about as lost and effortless as I have ever seen. I can't think of a decent explanation.

[Joemailman]

I am buying into the coach theory. I have now witnessed both Babre and Newhouse suddenly regress and forget that its a contact sport. Both guys suddenly became guys that were about as lost and effortless as I have ever seen. I can't think of a decent explanation.

Newhouse's lack of ability to finish plays was the knock against him coming out of college. I just don't think he ever got better. That's mostly his fault. Barbre is a somewhat different story. He was a somewhat talented guy from a small school who in my opinion got thrown into the starting lineup before he was ready. That was a coaching error. Whether the fault falls on McCarthy, Philbin, Campen or some combination I'm not really sure.

[Patler]

Newhouse's lack of ability to finish plays was the knock against him coming out of college. I just don't think he ever got better. That's mostly his fault. Barbre is a somewhat different story. He was a somewhat talented guy from a small school who in my opinion got thrown into the starting lineup before he was ready. That was a coaching error. Whether the fault falls on McCarthy, Philbin, Campen or some combination I'm not really sure.

Isn't that backwards, maybe? Newhouse was thrown into the starting lineup in the 4th game of his his second season, after never being active for a game as a rookie.
Barbre didn't start until his third season, after getting at least some active time his first two seasons.

Begs the question, why wasn't Barbre more ready to play by his third season?

[Joemailman]

Isn't that backwards, maybe? Newhouse was thrown into the starting lineup in the 4th game of his his second season, after never being active for a game as a rookie.
Barbre didn't start until his third season, after getting at least some active time his first two seasons.

Begs the question, why wasn't Barbre more ready to play by his third season?

Maybe he's just not good enough. Those 7 games he started in 2009 are the only 7 games he's ever started. I stand by my opinion that he wasn't ready, and shouldn't have started at RT in 2009. I have no idea if he's better now.

[bobblehead]

Newhouse's lack of ability to finish plays was the knock against him coming out of college. I just don't think he ever got better. That's mostly his fault. Barbre is a somewhat different story. He was a somewhat talented guy from a small school who in my opinion got thrown into the starting lineup before he was ready. That was a coaching error. Whether the fault falls on McCarthy, Philbin, Campen or some combination I'm not really sure.

Yes, but I am talking about a complete lack of effort. These guys were never good early on, but in both cases, the more they played the worse they looked. Last season Newhouse resembled Babre, simply watching guys blow past him without even a hint of effort towards blocking them. It was embarrassing.