WOW Cleveland just cant get anything right

[pbmax]

I am buying into the coach theory. I have now witnessed both Babre and Newhouse suddenly regress and forget that its a contact sport. Both guys suddenly became guys that were about as lost and effortless as I have ever seen. I can't think of a decent explanation.

Contact wasn't his problem, unless you mean actually not whiffing when trying to make contact.

[KYPack]

Yes, but I am talking about a complete lack of effort. These guys were never good early on, but in both cases, the more they played the worse they looked. Last season Newhouse resembled Babre, simply watching guys blow past him without even a hint of effort towards blocking them. It was embarrassing.

Barbre had a flaw in his mechanics when he was a kid in the league. He would tip his kick step. He was too clumsy to do a glide step to get wide. So he would always do a kick step, every time. And it was an obvious, ugly, clumsy ass kick step. Like a fat white boy trying out for Dancing with the Stars. He got by with it for a bit, until we played the Bears. Wally Ogunleye (SP) was on his last legs, but when he saw tape on Barbre, he said "I got this".

He timed Barbre's kick step to death. Whenever Barbre tried to make his "move", Wally would heart punch him and knock him out of the way. A couple times, he knocked Barbre all the way back, flat on his ass.

It wasn't a flaw in Barbre's mechanics, it was a Grand Canyon. Barbre got gunshy and became a man w/o a position. He bounced around the league and eventually has worked things out enuff to be a back-up.

40 years ago, these kind of guys went to work for a moving company or something.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I am buying into the coach theory. I have now witnessed both Babre and Newhouse suddenly regress and forget that its a contact sport. Both guys suddenly became guys that were about as lost and effortless as I have ever seen. I can't think of a decent explanation.

I've been wanting Campen gone for a while now. I'm thinking it's time for a change there given the OL hasn't been all that good for a while. Yeah I know injuries and blah blah blah but that excuse is getting a bit tiresome why guys regress or simply don't get better while here.

[Joemailman]

Yes, but I am talking about a complete lack of effort. These guys were never good early on, but in both cases, the more they played the worse they looked. Last season Newhouse resembled Babre, simply watching guys blow past him without even a hint of effort towards blocking them. It was embarrassing.

I agree that Newhouse was an embarrassment last year. But if he quit trying because he wasn't a starter, I don't think that's on the coach.

[Joemailman]

I've been wanting Campen gone for a while now. I'm thinking it's time for a change there given the OL hasn't been all that good for a while. Yeah I know injuries and blah blah blah but that excuse is getting a bit tiresome why guys regress or simply don't get better while here.

Foe the last year and a half, the Packers offensive line has been made up of 4th round picks, 5th round picks, and UDFA's. I suspect few OL coaches have had to make do with less.

[pbmax]

Barbre not developing into a serviceable backup 6 or 7 years into his career is hard to pin on Campen. He had another failed attempt in Seattle to latch on to an NFL club before finding the Eagles. Did the 2 subsequent coaches remake Barbre, or did he simply build on what he had learned previously?

And remember, as wist would tell us, the system counts. The Eagles offense is not a traditional NFL offense. His job is not to stand on an island at RT and pass block like a fortress for 5 seconds.

I more clearly remember his time at Guard when he made Colledge look like an All Pro. Barbre could not cut off angles without over committing and usually ended up reaching to block with just his arms despite some very solid athletic skills.

Newhouse last year wasn't getting starters reps after camp and I think it showed. He rarely finished plays ever. But he still had nifty feet and could get wide in a hurry. Last year his problem was that people were killing him inside as well. When you don't have ideal size, its hard to close off both angles unless your technique is rock solid. And his wasn't. He was a tackle because of need and his feet but not much else.

Campen took a banged up and young line and made it one of the better run blocking units in the League in a hurry. That should not be underestimated. And as we have been trying to convince Tank, part of his leaky protections are the QB holding onto the ball forever. He has been functioning without the two most important pieces (tackles) for much too long, mainly due to injuries. The list of his shortcomings is long, but he has accomplished quite a bit with what, at times, has not a stellar cast.

Putting player development on him is fair, as it is for any position coach, but as Capers has shown, if the architect won't run what you can do, then all the player development in the world is useless. When McCarthy adjusted last year for Lacy and Rodgers injury, things looked more cohesive.

[bobblehead]

Contact wasn't his problem, unless you mean actually not whiffing when trying to make contact.

Kinda. He was so bad he was barely making contact with his man...literally. It was an embarrassment.

[bobblehead]

I agree that Newhouse was an embarrassment last year. But if he quit trying because he wasn't a starter, I don't think that's on the coach.

I'm not sure. I have seen it twice now though where it was obvious. I am thinking along the lines of the coach might have been all over the map telling them to do one thing one day, and another the next until the guy was so screwed up he was like a deer in headlights.

[Patler]

Barbre not developing into a serviceable backup 6 or 7 years into his career is hard to pin on Campen. He had another failed attempt in Seattle to latch on to an NFL club before finding the Eagles. Did the 2 subsequent coaches remake Barbre, or did he simply build on what he had learned previously?

Seattle released him shortly after he first got there in 2010, but resigned him in 2011 after he finished the 2010 season in Miami. (Miami had put him on IR and released him at the start of 2011). He lasted in Seattle until he got the 4 game drug suspension before the 2012 season. Seattle released him that training camp. They had had 4 or 5 suspensions in a years time, and it almost seemed like Barbre was their sacrificial lamb to show the league they were "cracking down" on the problem. He sat out that season (2012) until the Eagles signed him for 2013.

[pbmax]

I don't watch college tape (or highlights) but I wonder if its coaching/technique that separates Bach from Newhouse/Babre or if its all mental?

Bach had such success out of the gate, I think he simply had to be more pro ready all around. But I wonder, for similar body types, does the attitude and approach trump the training?

[bobblehead]

I don't watch college tape (or highlights) but I wonder if its coaching/technique that separates Bach from Newhouse/Babre or if its all mental?

Bach had such success out of the gate, I think he simply had to be more pro ready all around. But I wonder, for similar body types, does the attitude and approach trump the training?

Both matter of course. Now, after having a good solid offseason with Campen Bach should be much worse, don't worry.

[Just Jeff]

Both matter of course. Now, after having a good solid offseason with Campen Bach should be much worse, don't worry.

Its so funny cause it true

[Fritz]

Cleveland is just going to implode when LeBron announces he's going back to Miami.

What a lousy football operation they have. How can you have any faith in that Insane Clown Posse?

[red]

Cleveland is just going to implode when LeBron announces he's going back to Miami.

What a lousy football operation they have. How can you have any faith in that Insane Clown Posse?

it sounds like those folks already think its a done deal that he's going home to cleveland

they have no one but themselves to blame when they get crushed

[Guiness]

so is Lebron 'going home' getting something right or not?

I'm a little surprised at that, he took less $$$ than he would've gotten in Miami, didn't he? Or maybe the Heat didn't offer him a max contract. I'm sure I don't know how that squishy NBA cap works. Something about a Larry Bird mid level max contract exception?