Official Non NFC North NFL News 2014 (Unofficial Johnny Manziel)

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Weigh that (how well he tested) Vs the fact he's not experienced a single series as an NFL OL Center !

How optimistic should we be?

We can't know how the player will play, but rookie lineman do fine in the NFL. As center, he has more calls to make, but he has had a year to learn and practice. Not typical of a rookie.

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THEY ARE DOOMED!!

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 2h
Hat backwards?? #internetgasp RT @Browns: Signing day for @JManziel2 pic.twitter.com/hzceMzpcI9

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Headline: Brady Quinn: Manziel needs to tone act down

Reaction: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/21/scott-linehan-takes-firm-control-of-the-cowboys-offense/

Scott Linehan may be #3 on the org chart of offensive coaches, but he seems to be the one in charge of the Cowboys offense.

Long live Jerry Jones.

[Joemailman]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...tarted-it-all/

It turns out Michael Vick was the first QB who could run and pass. Which will doubtless come as news to guys like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham.

“I was the guy who started it all,” Vick told ESPN.com. “I revolutionized the game. I changed the way it was played in the NFL.”

“The things I’ve done, I’ve pretty much surpassed myself and expectations — over 25,000 yards in total offense in the NFL, and I missed a lot of years and a lot of games,” he said. “That’s more the reason I have to keep it going.”

[Brandon494]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...tarted-it-all/

It turns out Michael Vick was the first QB who could run and pass. Which will doubtless come as news to guys like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham.

Lets be real here, sure Young and Cunningham could run but neither were anywhere close to Vick. I think he did open up the game for some guys, back in the day if a guy ran a 4.4 or 4.5 40 teams were not playing them at QB.

[woodbuck27]

What board was that? I post on many boards but hard to find one where TT hasn't been beatified.

With all respect;

The meaning of beatified:

http://www.walksofitaly.com/blog/vatican/beatification-ceremony-john-paul-ii-vatican-Teresa

** “Beatification” is the step right before sainthood.

** By beatifying someone, the Church ( Edit: The Roman Catholic Church) proclaims that the person in question is:

a) definitely in Heaven, and

b) definitely able to plead to God on your behalf if you pray to him.

(This is theoretically true for any other Christians in Heaven, too. But beatification is meant to be a rigorous process in order to prove this is the case).

Before you can be beatified, the Church (Edit: The R.C. Church) has to investigate and make sure that all of your writings show “purity of doctrine” (i.e., nothing against the faith!) and that all of your actions were motivated by virtue.
If you pass that test:

For that level, the Church has to prove also either that you were martyred or that you caused a miracle after your death.

**** After beatification, you’re then called “Blessed.”



Ted Thompson - Green Bay Packers GM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Thompson

" Ted Thompson played college football at Southern *Methodist* University....



Comment woodbuck27:

* If I assume? that then Ted Thompson was raised as "a Methodist" or a long ways apart from being raised as a Roman Catholic !?

RE: Ted Thompson:

Can we agree to move right past the status of being recognized as being beatified >>>> to something more appropriate for Ted Thompson:

Doesn't he deserve the status description as ...BLESSED !?

[woodbuck27]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ures-contract/

If only they had kept Wells, the Packers could be the team reaping this cap windfall.

Maybe !?

[woodbuck27]

Why do that when we two centers on the roster, that haven't taken a snap, poised for breakout seasons?

This question applies here:

" Does the chicken come before the egg? "

[Patler]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...tarted-it-all/

It turns out Michael Vick was the first QB who could run and pass. Which will doubtless come as news to guys like Steve Young and Randall Cunningham.

"Back in the day" there were QBs who "scrambled" and racked up rushing yardage when pass plays broke down, but the first QBs I can remember for whom running was a frequent option were Greg Landry and Bobby Douglas. Landry was a decent passer, Douglas not so much, but Douglas rushed for just short of 1,000 yards in a 14 game schedule. In their most productive rushing seasons, Douglas' and Vicks' total rushing stats were similar, but in carries per game and rushing yards per game, Douglas comes out on top:

Douglas in 14 game schedule in 1972 - 141 carries, 968 yards.
Vick in a 16 game schedule in 2006 - 123 carries, 1039 yards.

[Brandon494]

In their most productive rushing seasons, Douglas' and Vicks' total rushing stats were similar, but in carries per game and rushing yards per game, Douglas comes out on top:

Douglas in 14 game schedule in 1972 - 141 carries, 968 yards.
Vick in a 16 game schedule in 2006 - 123 carries, 1039 yards.

Don't see how Douglas comes out on top when he averages 6.9 yards per carry compared to Vick's 8.4 yards per carry. Vick also has more than double the career rushing yards plus Douglass was a horrible passer with 36 TDs and 64 INTs for his career. Vick might not have been the first running QB but hes the best in NFL history for sure.

[Patler]

Don't see how Douglas comes out on top when he averages 6.9 yards per carry compared to Vick's 8.4 yards per carry. Vick also has more than double the career rushing yards plus Douglass was a horrible passer with 36 TDs and 64 INTs for his career. Vick might not have been the first running QB but hes the best in NFL history for sure.

I specifically referred to their biggest years. I even posted their stats from those years. In their biggest years, 1972 for Douglas and 2006 for Vick, Douglas averaged more carries per game and more yards per game than Vick did.

Vick claims to be the first QB who was a legitimate runner. As I said, some earlier ones were scramblers, QBs who could pick up yards when passing plays broke down. The first two that I remember who had running plays designed for them that were called regularly were Douglas and Landry. Douglas had nearly 1000 yards rushing in a 14 game schedule, and Greg Landry had consecutive seasons with over 500 yards rushing in 14 game seasons. While Douglas was not a particularly good passer, Landry was decent for his time.

Vick may be the best, I'm not about to dispute that. However, Vick clearly was not the first, which is what he claimed to be.

It's like a lot of things in the NFL. If you watch long enough, you will see there are new twists, but the fundamentals go in repeating cycles. Defenses went from 5 man lines, to 4 man lines, to 3 man lines, back to 5 and 4 man lines. In the last few years there have been growing numbers of 3 man lines, which will soon again favor four man lines.

We had running QBS like Tobin Rote back in the 1950's, another bunch in the '70s, with scramblers like tarkenton scattered through out the year. But Vick being the one who changed the game? In contemporary times, that goes to Randall Cunningham who had nearly 800 carries and 5,000 rushing yards while also having 30,000 passing yards in the late '80s and '90s. Cunningham had one year over 900 rushing yards, two over 600 yards and three over 500 yards. Vick has had two seasons with over 3,000 passing yards. Cunningham had five.

Again, Vick might be the best runner as a QB, but he certainly is not the first, especially when compared to Cunningham in relatively recent times.

[Joemailman]

If Michael Vick had revolutionized the game, the NFL would be loaded with starting QB's who are great runners but who usually have a passer rating in the 70's.

[Brandon494]

I don't think he ever said he was the first but that he revolutionized the game. I do believe started the changed in the game with all the spread offenses you see in today's college game.

Anyhow I still view Vick's season better because even though he played more games he averaged more yards per carry facing tougher defenses. It will be awhile until we see the fastest player on the field playing the QB position again if ever.

[Brandon494]

If Michael Vick had revolutionized the game, the NFL would be loaded with starting QB's who are great runners but who usually have a passer rating in the 70's.

It was enough to hand Green Bay their first ever home playoff lost...I think Kaep took notes from that game.