Official Non NFC North NFL News 2014 (Unofficial Johnny Manziel)

[Brandon494]

If Vick revolutionized the way the position is played, why is it that 13 years after he entered the NFL, there are really only 2 or 3 starting QB's (RGIII, Kaep, Newton), with that style of play?

About to add Johnny Manziel to that list as well.

Good article on the subject listing all the great running QBs.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/21/vick-isnt-the-first-rushing-quarterback-but-he-is-the-best-for-now/

[Patler]

The rules only protect QBs who stay in the pocket, once they leave the pocket they are fair game.

...until he slides......

[Joemailman]

Jimmy Graham ruled a Tight End. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...em-arbitration

[Guiness]

Jimmy Graham ruled a Tight End. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...em-arbitration

Yup, and the arbitrator made some shit up to decide - i.e. he was lined up as a TE when he was within 4 yards of a lineman. lol, what? I think it's a bad idea to draw that line in the sand. Stating the criteria gets back to the idea that coaches might be told where they can line up their guys based on what future salary they might command.

[smuggler]

Was that arbitration ironclad and binding?

I'd expect Graham's people to appeal that decision if they are able to.

[Joemailman]

Was that arbitration ironclad and binding?

I'd expect Graham's people to appeal that decision if they are able to.

The Collective Bargaining Agreement allows Graham to appeal the decision to a three-member Appeals Panel within 10 days of the decision. The NFLPA announced in a statement they will "carefully determine next steps in this matter."

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[pbmax]

The arbitrator also cited his Twitter profile. Once again proving that everything you do and write down will evetually go on your permanent record.

[Patler]

I don't know how to define a tight end, but I know it when I see one. Graham is a tight end.

[bobblehead]

Jimmy Graham ruled a Tight End. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...em-arbitration

I run block a little better than Jimmy Graham. I am declaring myself an offensive tackle.

[bobblehead]

I don't know how to define a tight end, but I know it when I see one. Graham is a tight end.

You are defining him based on his size. He is NOT a TE. He doesn't block. He doesn't try to block. They don't ask him to block. He is a WR who is a matchup nightmare. Too fast to cover with LB, too big to cover with DB.

Edit: He also was rarely on the field in running situations.

[Patler]

I don't know how to define a tight end, but I know it when I see one. Graham is a tight end.

You are defining him based on his size. He is NOT a TE. He doesn't block. He doesn't try to block. They don't ask him to block. He is a WR who is a matchup nightmare. Too fast to cover with LB, too big to cover with DB.

Edit: He also was rarely on the field in running situations.

No, I was lampooning Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's often-quoted description of pornography:

I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [hard-core pornography]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.

Concurring, Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 (1964).

[Joemailman]

This ruling could end up helping the other top TE's in the NFL. Graham will likely sign a contract extension large enough to raise the franchise tag dollar amount for TE's.

I actually don't know that Graham is being hurt here unfairly. Last year he was 15th in the NFL in receiving yards. The franchise tag number for a TE is comparable to what the 15th rated wide receiver gets. Of course, Graham scores lots of TD's which also needs to be factored in. But I think it will be. Whether he signs an extension with New Orleans this year or becomes a FA next year, he will probably end up with a contract averaging 10 mil per year which is about where he should be based on production.

[KYPack]

You are defining him based on his size. He is NOT a TE. He doesn't block. He doesn't try to block. They don't ask him to block. He is a WR who is a matchup nightmare. Too fast to cover with LB, too big to cover with DB.

Edit: He also was rarely on the field in running situations.

Graham is the prototype Joker.

The good blocking, pass catcher guy we all grew up with is a generational spot.

It's like the Jim Taylor FB, a victim of the evolution of the NFL to a pass oriented league.

Jason Witten, Heath Miller guys are the last of their kind.

[bobblehead]

No, I was lampooning Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's often-quoted description of pornography:

Well played mauer....I should have caught that one, but I am annoyed by the fact that everyone seems to think he is built like a TE therefore he is a TE.

[bobblehead]

Graham is the prototype Joker.

The good blocking, pass catcher guy we all grew up with is a generational spot.

It's like the Jim Taylor FB, a victim of the evolution of the NFL to a pass oriented league.

Jason Witten, Heath Miller guys are the last of their kind.

I don't disagree. I think the position of TE is kinda gone in the NFL. Very few guys can block and catch. I would stop pretending to use TE's and simply run 4 wide, and then use U-71 when I want to mash.