What to do with $13 M in cap space?

[Brandon494]

I think Cobb may be cheaper than you think. That injury will hurt his totals and his guarantee. He can argue that healthy, he was on track for Jordy (or better than Jordy) production, but the totals aren't there. So he will get some speculative money that is not guaranteed and perhaps a short deal that will allow him to resign before 30.

I see him getting a 4 year deal around 25-30M and honestly I think Jordy will get something similar.

[MadScientist]

I see him getting a 4 year deal around 25-30M and honestly I think Jordy will get something similar.

Jordy will get more due to a longer history of high production, including coming off a 1300 yard season. Cobb may have a higher upside, but he has never produced that much in a season, and is coming off a season that he only played 6 games. Say what you like about it, but if he wants to get paid now, those numbers will affect the bottom line. A 3 year deal would give him a chance for a huge pay day, and give him security now. I do expect it to be more than the one Jordy signed last time, but closer to it than the one Jordy will sign this time.

[BZnDallas]

Jordy will get more due to a longer history of high production, including coming off a 1300 yard season. Cobb may have a higher upside, but he has never produced that much in a season, and is coming off a season that he only played 6 games. Say what you like about it, but if he wants to get paid now, those numbers will affect the bottom line. A 3 year deal would give him a chance for a huge pay day, and give him security now. I do expect it to be more than the one Jordy signed last time, but closer to it than the one Jordy will sign this time.

I disagree Mad... maybe i'm just drinking the kool aid, but everything out of the Nelson camp is he wants to stay in GB and will take less money to do it... I think he signs for 1-2 million more per year than his last contract... if i remember correctly he's already stated he has more money than he can ever spend...

I could be wrong, and that kool aid is damn good if i am... but here's to wishful thinking and an affordable Jordy Deal!

[bobblehead]

We could resign the great Daryn Colledge

That would be a waste, we already have one College type guard, and one who is better. Oh...wait...you were trolling. My bad, carry on.

[bobblehead]

I see him getting a 4 year deal around 25-30M and honestly I think Jordy will get something similar.

I think, like with most here re: sam shields, you are underestimating what these guys want/can command. If Jordy hits the open market he will get 4/40.

[Brandon494]

I think, like with most here re: sam shields, you are underestimating what these guys want/can command. If Jordy hits the open market he will get 4/40.

I don't see him getting that much, Eric Decker just signed a 5 year deal worth 36 million and hes two years younger than Nelson. Nelson isn't the type of guy who seeks money, I think staying in GB is more important to him.

[smuggler]

5/35 for Jordy would be awesome.

[MadScientist]

I don't see him getting that much, Eric Decker just signed a 5 year deal worth 36 million and hes two years younger than Nelson. Nelson isn't the type of guy who seeks money, I think staying in GB is more important to him.

Decker is more like Cobb in that he was coming off a rookie contract. However Decker was a FA and does not have an injury history, so he had more leverage than Cobb does. I think Jordy will get a contract that averages ~8M, although funny money at the end may make the figure higher.

[Fritz]

What to do, what to do...

I do think this training camp will tell the tale. One thing that the new crop does not seem to have that Cobb does have in spades is that quick-twitch movement. There seem to be big, physical recievers (Adams, Harper) and a long strider (Janis), and the slight-of-build White, but none of them seem to have quite the skill-set that Cobb has.

As for Nelson, I wonder if TT will be willing to tie up five years in a wide receiver who'd be what, 35 at the end of the contract?

So I wonder if some cap guru has developed an algorithm that shows the savings gained by signing a guy a year early versus the increased risk of injury, and another algorithm that shows the level of decrease in performance over a five year contract by wide receivers versus the increase in stability at a position.

[texaspackerbacker]

As to the original question, if there really is $13 million at the start of the season, guarantee that much or make it a bonus or whatever from the tail end of Aaron Rodgers' contract - to use up the cap space now and improve the picture down the road.

As for Jordy Nelson, I don't think they do anything now, but before the following season, I'm pretty sure Thompson makes a deal with him for a decent amount, but not as extravagant as some other WR contracts. He's a damn good player, but I think he knows, he's better off in Green Bay than he would be anywhere else. I'm not quite so confident about retaining Randall Cobb.

[Guiness]

It's a really hard call with Jordy. 29 years old, no injury history, coming off his best season in which he proved, with Jennings gone, that he was capable of being a #1WR. I think he really wants to stay in GB, but assuming this is a 4yr deal, it's probably his last big contract. Will someone throw WR franchise tag level $$$ at him?

[vince]

This year's number for WR's is $12.3 mil. I'd be shocked if Jordy would hold on and target a yearly figure anywhere close to that.

He's really valuable - incredible hands (only drops the easy ones), amazing body control, deceptive speed, underappreciated YAC who's tough for DB's to corral and has a real knack for the end zone, not to mention a high character team-first guy with a squeaky clean lifestyle. He has a lot to offer these young up-and-comers who could use a couple years to become really proficient in this offense. He's worth every bit of $10 mil a year in today's market for 3 or even 4 years with half of it up front given his physical make-up and the completeness of his game.

It just seems like he'd sign for less than that though. Stretch that signing bonus over 4 years and get Cobb locked up too for 5. No room for Finley at that point but it'd leave a bit of contingency money yet.

Gee it sure is easy in fantasy land.

[run pMc]

Priority Offseason Signings:

1. Cobb
2. Nelson
3. Play it by ear

This

[woodbuck27]

What to do, what to do...

I do think this training camp will tell the tale. One thing that the new crop does not seem to have that Cobb does have in spades is that quick-twitch movement. There seem to be big, physical recievers (Adams, Harper) and a long strider (Janis), and the slight-of-build White, but none of them seem to have quite the skill-set that Cobb has.

As for Nelson, I wonder if TT will be willing to tie up five years in a wide receiver who'd be what, 35 at the end of the contract?

So I wonder if some cap guru has developed an algorithm that shows the savings gained by signing a guy a year early versus the increased risk of injury, and another algorithm that shows the level of decrease in performance over a five year contract by wide receivers versus the increase in stability at a position.

pbmax ...can you get on that?

4 and/Vs 5 year contracts? I don't like five year contracts that aren't written in favor of the team.
Have we forgotten how fast things can change?...ie Nick Collins and JerMichael Finley are examples.

I hope the TT gives the ? of $money$ and Randall Cobb at least half a season.

I agree that Jordy Nelson may go for the security of Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay over a mega deal option and sign for about $8 Million$/year for four seasons.

[MadScientist]

As for Nelson, I wonder if TT will be willing to tie up five years in a wide receiver who'd be what, 35 at the end of the contract?

This isn't much of an issue with NFL contracts. Any 5 year contract for Jordy will be written to allow for a manageable cut after 3 year (preferably with a decent cap number for year 4).