After 1 preseason game - Pack it in, the season is already over

[wist43]

It's preseason, the games don't count, this and that... blah, blah, blah.

Unfortunately, I can tell from the first 2 defensive series of our first preseason game, that our defensive front 6/7 are going to be misused even worse than they were the past few years - and our team is sunk as a consequence.

- Daniels and Jones were playing DE in the base - no way should they be wasted like that.

- The nickel defense looked exactly the same, i.e. 2-4 and pathetic.

- Hawk and Jones are still among the worst ILB's in the game, never come off the field, and have resumed their familiar roles as drag-down tacklers.

They didn't fix that disasterous nickel, and they applied the wrong fixes to the base. Those are the alignments we're going to see all year - it's a disaster.

I had hoped MM's involvement on defense would right the ship - I guess his involvement consisted of getting coffee and donuts for Dunderdummy and the Spraypainted Hair Band.

I can't begin to fathom how MM has allowed this nonsense to continue; but, amazingly, we're in the same mess we've been in the past few years.

THE DEFENSE IS STILL A MESS!!!!

[red]

well, we all know M3 won't fire anyone for anything. so capers isn't going anywhere while fat mike is here

and the best news of all, we're trying to give the fat retard a new long term deal

so, get use to capers and his fucked up seive of a D. at least we have a high powered high scoring offense that can usually put up more points then the D allows

can you imagine our team without rodgers, we wouldn't win a fucking game. oh right, we don't have to imagine, we saw just how shitty this team was when a-rod was out

so, we're back to what i've brought up before. TT, M3 and the rest of the front office and coaching staff are just riding the coat tails of rodgers, they all owe their careers to him. they have managed to build and coach a team that is just complete shit without him. imagine if we actually had coaches that could teach and improve players each and every year

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

May be a wee bit early to hang up the cleats, but you guys are most likely spot on. As always, I will watch all the games and hope to be pleasantly surprised.

[Just Jeff]

TT, M3 and the rest of the front office and coaching staff are just riding the coat tails of rodgers, they all owe their careers to him.

+1

[Joemailman]

I guess 2010 was all a mirage. I guess Capers didn't put together a defense that was #2 in points allowed. I guess they didn't win the NFC Title in Chicago even though Rodgers, by his admission, played like shit. I guess they weren't dominating the Steelers in the Super Bowl until Woodson and Shields went out on successive plays. I guess New England should can Belichick because he hasn't won a Super Bowl in a while. I guess he'd be nothing without Brady. Tomlin and Payton? They haven't won a Super Bowl in awhile. I guess they suck. I guess if you're not winning the Super Bowl at least every other year you're a fat fuck. Or a dunderdummy. Or something. I guess.

[Just Jeff]

I guess 2010 was all a mirage. I guess Capers didn't put together a defense that was #2 in points allowed. I guess they didn't win the NFC Title in Chicago even though Rodgers, by his admission, played like shit. I guess they weren't dominating the Steelers in the Super Bowl until Woodson and Shields went out on successive plays. I guess New England should can Belichick because he hasn't won a Super Bowl in a while. I guess he'd be nothing without Brady. Tomlin and Payton? They haven't won a Super Bowl in awhile. I guess they suck. I guess if you're not winning the Super Bowl at least every other year you're a fat fuck. Or a dunderdummy. Or something. I guess.

Don't forget superbowls one and two. Those show that we should stay the course too.

[Striker]

It's preseason, the games don't count, this and that... blah, blah, blah.

Unfortunately, I can tell from the first 2 defensive series of our first preseason game, that our defensive front 6/7 are going to be misused even worse than they were the past few years - and our team is sunk as a consequence.

- Daniels and Jones were playing DE in the base - no way should they be wasted like that.

- The nickel defense looked exactly the same, i.e. 2-4 and pathetic.

- Hawk and Jones are still among the worst ILB's in the game, never come off the field, and have resumed their familiar roles as drag-down tacklers.

They didn't fix that disasterous nickel, and they applied the wrong fixes to the base. Those are the alignments we're going to see all year - it's a disaster.

I had hoped MM's involvement on defense would right the ship - I guess his involvement consisted of getting coffee and donuts for Dunderdummy and the Spraypainted Hair Band.

I can't begin to fathom how MM has allowed this nonsense to continue; but, amazingly, we're in the same mess we've been in the past few years.

THE DEFENSE IS STILL A MESS!!!!

Yep, those first two defensive series shows just how bad this team will be. I bet it will be the exact same scheme they'll use with Seattle as well.

They should just go all out these next 3 preseason games. Placate the fans now. Roll out the full playbook.

[Joemailman]

Don't forget superbowls one and two. Those show that we should stay the course too.

Not sure what point you're trying to make. There was no staying of the course after winning the first 2 Super Bowls. Lombardi left and the Packers had a series of unsuccessful Coach/GM's for the next 25 years. Bengston, Devine, Starr, Gregg, Infante. What it showed is that it's rally hard to find people who can win championships in the NFL. If you have them, don't undervalue them because a replacement as good isn't easy.

[Rutnstrut]

I guess 2010 was all a mirage. I guess Capers didn't put together a defense that was #2 in points allowed. I guess they didn't win the NFC Title in Chicago even though Rodgers, by his admission, played like shit. I guess they weren't dominating the Steelers in the Super Bowl until Woodson and Shields went out on successive plays. I guess New England should can Belichick because he hasn't won a Super Bowl in a while. I guess he'd be nothing without Brady. Tomlin and Payton? They haven't won a Super Bowl in awhile. I guess they suck. I guess if you're not winning the Super Bowl at least every other year you're a fat fuck. Or a dunderdummy. Or something. I guess.

Just in case you didn't know it's 2014 not 2010 anymore. There's a saying that even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while, 2010 was Dom's nut. That all said, I am not totally ready to write the D off based on one pre season game. I will say however, I have ZERO confidence in Capers, so yet another failing defensive season would not surprise me.

[Rutnstrut]

Not sure what point you're trying to make. There was no staying of the course after winning the first 2 Super Bowls. Lombardi left and the Packers had a series of unsuccessful Coach/GM's for the next 25 years. Bengston, Devine, Starr, Gregg, Infante. What it showed is that it's rally hard to find people who can win championships in the NFL. If you have them, don't undervalue them because a replacement as good isn't easy.

He's saying that reveling in past glory, does not win games in the present.

[pittstang5]

I've said this in another thread - I'm concerned about the run D, specifically the D-line. They don't have any run stuffers. Jolly and Pickett are gone. Daniels, Raji and Jones, to me, are pass rushers. The rest of the D-lineman are hurt (Worthy and Guion) or are rookies or one year players. It usually takes the young guys a year or two to do anything in this defense.

I haven't watched the game yet, but I want to pay attention to the starting D-line and see how they hold up. From the sound of it, they didn't do well.

[pbmax]

so, we're back to what i've brought up before. TT, M3 and the rest of the front office and coaching staff are just riding the coat tails of rodgers, they all owe their careers to him. they have managed to build and coach a team that is just complete shit without him. imagine if we actually had coaches that could teach and improve players each and every year

Who drafted him?

Who coached him?

Tell me again how Rodgers carried the team versus the Bears in the NFCCG? Tell me again how Rodgers carried the team versus the Eagles the week before. Did he drag the team kicking and screaming into the playoffs in 09?

He is the best player on the team. He's not Jesus.

[pbmax]

He's saying that reveling in past glory, does not win games in the present.

If you could replace McCarthy and Thompson with a pair of former Super Bowl winners in the same position, would you feel good about that?

Sean Payton? Tony Dungy? Mike Tomlin? Pete Carroll?

John Schneider? Ozzie Newsome? Scott Pioli?

Hoo Boy. Look at all that certainty. You hire any two of those and nothing will stop you from winning three in a row.

[Just Jeff]

Who drafted him?

Who coached him?

Tell me again how Rodgers carried the team versus the Bears in the NFCCG? Tell me again how Rodgers carried the team versus the Eagles the week before. Did he drag the team kicking and screaming into the playoffs in 09?

He is the best player on the team. He's not Jesus.

I in reality have more respect for our front office that I publicly admit, but this argument rings hollow to me. AR fell to us. NO QUESTION. Its no more of an argument at how great of a GM Bellicheat is because of genius of jumping up and grabbing Brady. As to who coached him. Its the same guy that doesn't take any of the blame for AR holding on to the ball too long of going for the long pass rather than checking down. MM didn't make AR the great QB he is. AR is a great QB. If you want to judge AR as being the result of coaching then you can't not blame the coaching for the things that AR doesn't do well. No one here called him Jesus, but he might be Abraham or Moses. Second on the team would be Jude at best.

[pbmax]

I in reality have more respect for our front office that I publicly admit, but this argument rings hollow to me. AR fell to us. NO QUESTION. Its no more of an argument at how great of a GM Bellicheat is because of genius of jumping up and grabbing Brady. As to who coached him. Its the same guy that doesn't take any of the blame for AR holding on to the ball too long of going for the long pass rather than checking down. MM didn't make AR the great QB he is. AR is a great QB. If you want to judge AR as being the result of coaching then you can't not blame the coaching for the things that AR doesn't do well. No one here called him Jesus, but he might be Abraham or Moses. Second on the team would be Jude at best.

Unless you have the #1 pick every year, almost ALL picks fall to you. If he was such a lock, he would have been gone before the 24th pick. This argument is perhaps the worst I have seen on the board.

"The Packers don't grey credit for selecting the good player, 23 other teams get blame for passing on him."