Official GameDay Thread Week 2: Jets @ Packers

[denverYooper]

I didn't like the onside kick and I especially didn't like it's execution. Top one that goes 11 yards if you're going for an onside. Trying to plop it between the first and second wave of defenders? No thanks

Yeah, well... I think the placement, not the timing, was supposed to be the surprise part of that onside kick. They probably had Mason and their front line targeted to a spot where they thought the Jets might not expect it to hit.

That one might have looked better on paper.

[pbmax]

McCarthy said in his PC Monday that they did not expect the Jets to react they way they did to the formation. He said they had never used it before and so was surprised by the reaction, which he must have viewed as successful.

Called is "disturbing" I believe.

[3irty1]

McCarthy said in his PC Monday that they did not expect the Jets to react they way they did to the formation. He said they had never used it before and so was surprised by the reaction, which he must have viewed as successful.

Called is "disturbing" I believe.

What are you talking about?

[Joemailman]

What are you talking about?

He's talking about the onside kick. Jets appeared to have their "hands" team out there. MM was saying it appeared the Jets had a way of knowing what was coming.

[Maxie the Taxi]

The onside kick this week and going for it on 4th down in the 3rd quarter last week are risks I am fine with, and are probably as much for psychological reasons as for strategic ones. That is M3 taking a risk at a calculated time to extend a drive or steal a possession, and it lets them know that he's not afraid to stick his neck out to win them the game. It goes to the kind of mentality a team needs to be successful -- playing with a sort of controlled chaos. Neither of those hurt the Packers. The D made a stand after the 4th down failure and the D again came up with the big INT this week.

I think I could make a pretty good argument that going for it on 4th down in the Seattle game was a big reason the Packers lost. Sure the defense made a stand at mid-field, but then Seattle punted pinning the Packers down on their own 10. On the very next play Rodgers fumbled and Seattle scored a safety and that's all she wrote. Bad things happen to you when you're pinned down deep in your own territory.

As far as the onside kick goes, it was a HUGE gamble that wasn't warranted. GB was only 12 points down at the time but the failed onside gave the Jets the ball at midfield just before halftime. If not for the interception AND a 97 yard drive, the Jets might have gone into halftime with a 20 point lead! Not good.

If the Packers could followup every failed onside kick with an interception AND a 97 yard drive, I might agree with you. Try it.

But what are the odds?

As I see it, those kinds of gambles work to a team's mental disadvantage. It kind of sends a message to your guys that they can't win without gimmicks because the other team is just plain that much better.

[pbmax]

What are you talking about?

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/insidersblog/2014/09/15/mccarthy-jets-onside-kick/15694271/

After the Packers' third field goal cut the Jets' lead to 21-9 in the second quarter Sunday, McCarthy elected a surprise onside kick. It was a formation the Packers hadn't shown on film. McCarthy expected the element of surprise.

Instead, McCarthy said he was surprised – and a bit curious – to see the Jets were not caught off guard.

"I felt like they were in our huddle, frankly," McCarthy said. "Just the way they lined up to it is disturbing to me. It's something we've never shown. It's a formation we've never been in."

[smuggler]

McCarthy is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. Uses an exotic formation on a kickoff and it's something the Jets have not had a chance to see before... and is surprised that they suspected an on-side try. Dork. :P

[3irty1]

McCarthy has always been a big self scouter. At this point in the season its hard to tell what's a good idea and what's setting up the future. He's not subtle at all. That John Kuhn hand off out of the goal line was beyond stubborn for a whole season but then when it mattered he had the easiest walk in touchdown ever by faking that play. He absolutely spammed the back shoulder throws for so long that defenders had been cheating on it for a month before the first double move came for an easy long completion. In 2007 is was the same with the slants. As fans we always have a sense of urgency but at this point in MM's career I think his mind is already in January. He's making the film he wants his playoff opponents to watch. Hopefully whatever this trick kickoff formation was has some future value.