OFFICIAL 2015 NFL DRAFT THREAD

[smuggler]

McKinney had a pretty pedestrian combine. Curry was a combine wonder. McKinney looks athletically limited to me, but I like his instincts. In short, the exact opposite situation as Curry, from my perspective. And, no, I don't want McKinney at 30.

[Carolina_Packer]

McKinney had a pretty pedestrian combine. Curry was a combine wonder. McKinney looks athletically limited to me, but I like his instincts. In short, the exact opposite situation as Curry, from my perspective. And, no, I don't want McKinney at 30.

I was just curious who you were referencing above.

[QBME]

I was just curious who you were referencing above.

Aaron Curry. Big time bust.

[red]

I was just curious who you were referencing above.

aaron curry

#4 overall pick in the 2009 draft. he only lasted 4 years in the league

some "experts" are comparing McKinney to Curry

[red]

McKinney had a pretty pedestrian combine. Curry was a combine wonder. McKinney looks athletically limited to me, but I like his instincts. In short, the exact opposite situation as Curry, from my perspective. And, no, I don't want McKinney at 30.

i don't know about that. curry was the butkus award winner his last year and was a first team all american

his combine numbers were

40- 4.56
25 reps
37 inch vert
124 inch broad
7.15 3 cone
4.51 - 20 yard shuttle


mckinney had

4.66 - 40
16 reps (really just 16?)
40.5 inch vert
121 inch broad
7.21 - 3 cone
4.27 - 20 yard shuttle

hard to call either one a workout wonder i guess

[pbmax]

Using the six most important measurables for ILBs, Anthony ranked well ahead of McKinney. Its the same kinda spread for the 3 most important Combine tests (20 yd shuttle, 40 and 3 cone), Anthony 14 to McKinney's 31.

Same source, rankings in position group for six most important attributes. (Note No. 1: No points were awarded for the 10-yard times because they so closely corresponded to the 40-yard times. Note No. 2: Again, the long shuttle was not included because times are not available for every prospect.)

PLAYER		40 (10)	3-CONE	20 S	ARM	BROAD	BENCH	VERT	TOTAL
[B]Steph. Anthony	2 (1)	5	2	5	3	5	4	26[/B]
Jordan Hicks	9 (3)	3	4	6	1	8	2	33
Eric Kendricks	5 (2)	9	3	11	1	11	2	42
Kwon Alexander	1 (3)	9	6	15	4	4	6	45
Ben Heeney	3 (7)	1	1	13	6	11	10	45
Edmond Robinson	5 (7)	15	11	1	4	8	4	48
[B]B. McKinney	8 (10)	12	8	3	6	15	1	53[/B]
Bryce Hager	4 (5)	11	10	9	9	3	7	54
Jake Ryan	7 (9)	8	6	11	6	8	9	55
Mike Hull	9 (5)	4	4	14	13	1	14	59
Denzel Perryman	12 (13)	5	12	7	11	2	11	60
Ramik Wilson	11 (12)	14	15	3	11	5	7	66
Taiwan Jones	15 (15)	13	9	1	10	11	11	70
Paul Dawson	14 (14)	2	14	8	15	7	15	75
Hayes Pullard	12 (11)	5	12	10	13	11	13	76

[wist43]

its funny, because when i look at those game films of mckinney, the last word that would come to my mind is "dynamic"

you would expect a guy that big and strong and fast to be dominating the game, and he just isn't. he's just kinda there. and his play speed actually looks slower then other ILB's like dawson, anthony and perryman

theres a reason why mckinney is being compared to aaron curry, someone is gonna overdraft this guy based on his look and combine, and they are gonna get a very "blah" player

here's some games of him

I don't know what you're looking at Red... put on entire game tapes, and you might go the entire game without a given positional player making many plays. The A&M game, MSU had such a lead that A&M did nothing but pass from the 2nd Q on. He got juked by the QB in the open field on one play, and missed a tackle that I noticed, but other than that the ball didn't come near him enough to say he didn't do enough.

He dropped in coverage pretty well, generally took good angles, made the plays that were there for him to make... one of the knocks on him has been that with all of his athletic talent, he should make more plays.

As for the strength issue - give him a year in an NFL weight room and training program, and that guy has the potential to be a beast.

As I said, I like Anthony too, but I think McKinney has much more upside. I'd be okay with McKinney in the 1st round, but would want to trade back if it were Anthony.

[red]

i wouldn't want either one in the 1st but i also don't think either one will last until our second round pick. so we either need to reach or trade down, and like i mentioned earlier, if it is true that some teams and scouts only think there are 20 or so first round talents, then trading back might be a hard thing to do

[smuggler]

Huh... McKinney tested better than I thought he would/could... I half retract my statements.

[Bretsky]

I really like McKinney as well............so with Wist and I agreeing...he might be shot

We need to bring a lil nasty back to this defense IMO

[wist43]

I think the main difference between McKinney and Anthony is athleticism in terms of being able to turn and run, i.e. Anthony is stiff in the hips, and doesn't change direction as smoothly as McKinney.

Maybe that doesn't show up in the cone drill, and the shuttle, but it is certainly evident in how they look on the field. Anthony did manage to make some plays in coverage in college, but the NFL is a different animal - all other things being equal, each get some good coaching, and each work hard in the strength and conditioning programs they're in - I think McKinney has more upside.

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As I said earlier, the guy I'm really intrigued by is Mauldin. I really could see him stepping in and being an effective role player this year, and replacing Peppers in '16. I've read some of the reports on him that knock his athleticism, but anyone who can back flip like that, and can bend the corner the way he can - that's plenty enough evidence of being a good athlete. I don't see him being stiff at all for a guy his size.

CBSSportsline has him as the 90th ranked player - which would put him in the 3rd round, but I could definitely see him going in the 2nd; and given that we pick at the end of the round - I"d take him in the 2nd round. Don't think he'll be there for sure by our pick in the 3rd - might not be there at our pick in the 2nd??

[Carolina_Packer]

Per a Seattle Post Intelligencer article from May 2013 with a snippet quoting Aaron Curry, who at the time of the article was trying to catch on with the Giants:

Now Curry is hoping to find a home with the New York Giants, who signed him to a one-year deal earlier this month. And that’s why he recently spoke with The New York Times about his hopes to revive his bust of an NFL career.

“I knew I could do it,” Curry told the NYT’s Tom Pedulla of his first chance with the Seahawks. “I knew I would do it. At the time, I wasn’t motivated to do it. Football wasn’t my top priority, to be honest.”

“I think earlier in my career I was real selfish and self-centered,” he added. “I was more about me than the Seahawks.”

Thank goodness for the rookie wage scale. This joker got $34 mil. guaranteed. Hopefully none of the Packers targets are like this.

[wist43]

Per a Seattle Post Intelligencer article from May 2013 with a snippet quoting Aaron Curry, who at the time of the article was trying to catch on with the Giants:

Now Curry is hoping to find a home with the New York Giants, who signed him to a one-year deal earlier this month. And that’s why he recently spoke with The New York Times about his hopes to revive his bust of an NFL career.

“I knew I could do it,” Curry told the NYT’s Tom Pedulla of his first chance with the Seahawks. “I knew I would do it. At the time, I wasn’t motivated to do it. Football wasn’t my top priority, to be honest.”

“I think earlier in my career I was real selfish and self-centered,” he added. “I was more about me than the Seahawks.”

Thank goodness for the rookie wage scale. This joker got $34 mil. guaranteed. Hopefully none of the Packers targets are like this.

This is why the "character" issue is so important... and something we as fans really can't have a handle on. We can't sit across from them and determine if they are actually just a con man looking to get paid, and then mail it in.

[smuggler]

There were reports that Curry had shit for instincts and that he was not able to properly digest a playbook. He was gifted physically, but his problems were from the neck up. (traditional) Linebackers, safeties, and quarterbacks are very neck-up positions, relative to the rest of players. Obviously, you need the tools, but you also need to be able to use them.

[vince]

I'm strongly with Red and Harvey on McKinney. Watching the game cutups that Red posted, McKinney has heavy feet. He's reliable in the middle of the field where he can bounce off a block using his arm length (though his strength to disengage is a concern at the next level) and doesn't have to change direction to make a tackle but is pretty easily juked in space because he struggles to break down with balance and control since he runs with bigger, more lunging strides.

His combine numbers back up what's on tape. That's a backer who may be OK as a blitzer when there's a statue standing back in the pocket and who will play well between the tackles holding runners to short gains. But that's not an impact linebacker on the field IMO. Not the kind of sideline to sideline playmaker this defense needs. Anyone with moves is going to separate from him quickly.