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  • #61
    wist, the thing I can't understand is this whole defensive play calling thing. Apparently, there are rules that only one guy on defense can wear the headset in his helmet. But then does that guy have to play all the snaps? What if he gets hurt?

    In the first game Jones wore the headset and played every defensive down. In the second, Hawk wore it and played every down.

    Is our defense so complicated and dependent on schemes and personnel groups that it would fall apart without communicating on the headset? Stubby is big on cross training guys, can't he have Burnett or Shields or Tramon or Matthews wear it and call defensive signals? Are we forever tied to Jones or Hawk?
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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    • #62
      Originally posted by wist43 View Post
      Is there any other team in the league that is as QB dependent as Green Bay??
      There are now probably three elite QBs (Manning, Rodgers, Brees), and all three of those teams are as dependent on that elite QB as the others. Pittsburgh is highly dependent on Big Ben too--as is San Diego with Rivers. After watching Brady the first two weeks, I'm leaning towards dropping him out of the elite category. His downfield passing ability has fallen off dramatically. It's true that there are some teams that have a good QB that are not as dependent on that QB (namely Seattle, San Fran, Carolina, maybe Cincinnati and Arizona), but those teams are about as scarce as teams with elite QBs. Those teams have arguably the five best defenses in football. Those teams have been fortunate that their QBs have mostly been playing on their rookie contracts--except for Arizona. Things are about to change there.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #63
        Have you ever considered that the defense may not be intentionally faulty? Like what if Capers has never said "The goal is to give up 30 points this week" or "We're just not going to try controlling the line of scrimmage"? What if Thompson has never said "Lets pass on that guy, he's too physical for us"?

        What if there are 31 other teams also trying to build the perfect defense and competing for all the same resources and even the most fortunate one still won't give up just 13 points per game?

        And to answer your question yes there are other teams just as QB dependent. The Broncos, Bears, Giants, Steelers, Saints, and Patriots all come to mind. I'd wager nearly every team would also be smoldering heap of dysfunction after losing 20 million dollars worth of their best players.
        70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.

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        • #64
          Lions
          Originally posted by 3irty1
          This is museum quality stupidity.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
            There are now probably three elite QBs (Manning, Rodgers, Brees), and all three of those teams are as dependent on that elite QB as the others. Pittsburgh is highly dependent on Big Ben too--as is San Diego with Rivers. After watching Brady the first two weeks, I'm leaning towards dropping him out of the elite category. His downfield passing ability has fallen off dramatically. It's true that there are some teams that have a good QB that are not as dependent on that QB (namely Seattle, San Fran, Carolina, maybe Cincinnati and Arizona), but those teams are about as scarce as teams with elite QBs. Those teams have arguably the five best defenses in football. Those teams have been fortunate that their QBs have mostly been playing on their rookie contracts--except for Arizona. Things are about to change there.
            Brady has no WR to throw to worth a damn. When Danny Amendola is your best WR, you've got problems. So I won't put him out of the elite category yet.
            All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig View Post
              Brady has no WR to throw to worth a damn. When Danny Amendola is your best WR, you've got problems. So I won't put him out of the elite category yet.
              I don't buy it. Edelman is their best receiver. He's pretty darn good--in the Welker mold. Gronk is back. Vereen is one of the best pass catching RBs in football. Dobson has talent--although he missed the first game. Amendola is a decent slot receiver. Wright caught 56 passes in Tampa Bay last year. While that's not the best receiving crops, he's not completely devoid of weapons.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #67
                Pats have serious O line issues.
                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by pbmax View Post
                  Pats have serious O line issues.
                  They shouldn't. They have a 4th year starter at LT, a third year starter at C, a fifth year starter at RG, and Vollmer at RT. Only Marcus Cannon is inexperienced, and they felt good enough about him to get rid of Mankins. I know they struggled against Miami, but teams have bad games. Brady barely got touched when he did drop back against Minnesota. I see a noticeable difference in Brady. It sucks because I thought he'd bounce back, and I drafted him my fantasy league. He's turned into a game manager because he's just not very good on the deep ball anymore.
                  "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                    Arod makes a huge difference - he makes it a contest.

                    So instead of scoring 10 pts, I see us scoring about 31 against them... yes, he makes a huge difference.

                    Our defense is still our defense - even with the changes and improvements we've made from last year... dunderdummy is still our DC - best he can be is okay; worst he can be is disaster.

                    45-31 Lions.
                    The entire problem with your take is that you discount certain facts.

                    The defense was on the field for 40 minutes of the game. The offense turned the ball over 3 times and only managed 126 total yards of offense despite the defense getting 2 picks and 2 fumble recoveries (one for a TD).

                    The Packers D actually came to play that game, but was completely hung out to dry by the offense.

                    So saying "oh, they put up 'x' yards" ignores the fact that the offense never moved the ball and based on TOP alone the Lions were bound to rack up monster numbers.

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                    • #70
                      Here's what the offense did last year:

                      Punt, FG (after an out out of bounds KO), punt, punt, punt, punt, turnover, turnover, punt, punt, turnover.

                      Here's what the defense did:

                      Fumble Recovery, Allowed FG, Fumble Recovery for TD, Interception, Allowed TD, Allowed TD, Missed FG, Allowed TD, Interception, Punt, Allowed TD, Allowed TD, End of Game.

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                      • #71
                        Anybody know who the Packer's activated to take Mulumba's spot?
                        One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                        John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
                          I don't buy it. Edelman is their best receiver. He's pretty darn good--in the Welker mold. Gronk is back. Vereen is one of the best pass catching RBs in football. Dobson has talent--although he missed the first game. Amendola is a decent slot receiver. Wright caught 56 passes in Tampa Bay last year. While that's not the best receiving crops, he's not completely devoid of weapons.
                          I totally blanked on Edelman. That does improve things a bit.
                          All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
                            Anybody know who the Packer's activated to take Mulumba's spot?
                            Nobody yet.
                            I can't run no more
                            With that lawless crowd
                            While the killers in high places
                            Say their prayers out loud
                            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                            A thundercloud
                            They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                            • #74
                              Questionable: RT Bryan Bulaga (knee), CB Casey Hayward (glute)
                              Probable: S Hyde (knee)
                              Out: ILB Brad Jones (quad)
                              OLB Andy Mulumba (knee)
                              I can't run no more
                              With that lawless crowd
                              While the killers in high places
                              Say their prayers out loud
                              But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                              A thundercloud
                              They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                              • #75
                                Goddamn right Hayward needs some yoga. Every yoga instructor I've ever perved on seems like they've taken real good care of those glutes.
                                When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.

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