WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF DOM CAPERS

[woodbuck27]

I'm sure that like most of us wist43 is shell shocked after that 2nd half last night.

It will take time to absorb and analyze it all ... or simply toss it into the dumpster and forget it?

No...that last thingy won't work.

Right now to me it's still 'a HOT MESS'.

[pbmax]

No pass rush, one other worldly WR. Jones is more Calvin Johnson than Brandon Marshall. Much more speed.

One other note, Packers started with a lot of nickel early and no base. Falcons were running on it pretty well. As the game went on, there was more 3-4 looks. And that introduced a whole new problem in the second half. Completions across the middle to backs, TE and WR. Brad Jones got picked off by the umpire on a 3rd or 4th down.

There just isn't enough coverage ability out there at linebacker. And Peppers mainly helps in zone drops. In man, its a nightmare.

Now wist has suggested this means you put more pass rushers in and take ineffective LBs out and that is understandable, certainly at certain down and distance (3-3!). But only Matthews can move well enough to cover at ILB, Jones is hit or miss and Barrington doesn't have enough speed. Bob might be disappointed but he isn't wrong, ILB needs to be rebuilt completely.

And that pass rush is not reliable enough to get home. Ryan had plenty of time on most drop backs. I also think its possible the D line was doing a controlled pass rush ala facing Wilson or Kapernick. Because Ryan ran very effectively and the did tend to close the pocket rather than break free for a one on one shot.

[mraynrand]

No pass rush, one other worldly WR. Jones is more Calvin Johnson than Brandon Marshall. Much more speed.

if he's really that good, then doubling him might make some sense, no?

[pbmax]

if he's really that good, then doubling him might make some sense, no?

They had a safety over the top most of the time, but Dix, in one case, still couldn't get there in time after the CB trailed Jones.

I did eventually expect Capers to pull the old Belichick move with Tony Gonzalez, double him at the LOS and beat him to submission.

[mraynrand]

They had a safety over the top most of the time, but Dix, in one case, still couldn't get there in time after the CB trailed Jones.

I did eventually expect Capers to pull the old Belichick move with Tony Gonzalez, double him at the LOS and beat him to submission.

I was calling for the latter, but they kept throwing individual coverage at the guy. Fortunately, Capers' mad plan to run him to exhaustion with 300 yards receiving pretty much worked - eventually.

[Fritz]

This game reminded me - painfully and vividly - of just about every game from 2011.

Man, if last week's defense was the "real" Packer defense, this team could go far. If last night's defense is the "real" Packer defense, this is a one-and-done team.

If it's in between, it's not a Super Bowl defense.

[hoosier]

This game reminded me - painfully and vividly - of just about every game from 2011.

Man, if last week's defense was the "real" Packer defense, this team could go far. If last night's defense is the "real" Packer defense, this is a one-and-done team.

If it's in between, it's not a Super Bowl defense.

That's interesting, because I've always felt that the 2011 Packers were a team of destiny, and that their loss in the divisional round was one of those rare moments when the grand design of the universe develops a bug and crashes. Even with all the bumps in the road (the drop by a rusty Jennings, the bye-week tragedy with Philbin's son), the Packers probably win that game nine times out of ten. We just happened to roll a 10. If the 2014 team turns out to be the reincarnation of the 2011 team, the odds of them capitalizing on their destiny have to be really, really good.

[denverYooper]

Though it didn't show up last night, the Packers pass rush this year is better than 2011.

[denverYooper]

No pass rush, one other worldly WR. Jones is more Calvin Johnson than Brandon Marshall. Much more speed.

One other note, Packers started with a lot of nickel early and no base. Falcons were running on it pretty well. As the game went on, there was more 3-4 looks. And that introduced a whole new problem in the second half. Completions across the middle to backs, TE and WR. Brad Jones got picked off by the umpire on a 3rd or 4th down.

There just isn't enough coverage ability out there at linebacker. And Peppers mainly helps in zone drops. In man, its a nightmare.

Now wist has suggested this means you put more pass rushers in and take ineffective LBs out and that is understandable, certainly at certain down and distance (3-3!). But only Matthews can move well enough to cover at ILB, Jones is hit or miss and Barrington doesn't have enough speed. Bob might be disappointed but he isn't wrong, ILB needs to be rebuilt completely.

And that pass rush is not reliable enough to get home. Ryan had plenty of time on most drop backs. I also think its possible the D line was doing a controlled pass rush ala facing Wilson or Kapernick. Because Ryan ran very effectively and the did tend to close the pocket rather than break free for a one on one shot.

I had to listen to most of the game because, children. Did the Falcons keep extra blockers at all?

[pbmax]

I had to listen to most of the game because, children. Did the Falcons keep extra blockers at all?

I don't think so. They mostly ran 3 wide 1 back and when they wanted to change it up they went two TE or extra lineman. They had an extra OL twice I saw (Gabe Carimi), but those were runs and play action to change tendency.

Ryan was just throwing the ball early and when he had heat he is nimble enough to run. That interior pressure that moved Brady wasn't as obvious last night.

Though to be fair, it might be the same pressure but Ryan could just loft a deep floater to Jones and make a play where the Patriots couldn't.

Beyonf Jones, the killer in the second half was all the short five yard throws that went for 9 yards, many of them in the middle of the field. I am not sure Atlanta is the team to play man against.

[Fritz]

I thought Gruden was saying they were playing lots and lots of zone.

I know Ryan was quick, but still, there was no pressure.

[deake]

I don't think so. They mostly ran 3 wide 1 back and when they wanted to change it up they went two TE or extra lineman. They had an extra OL twice I saw (Gabe Carimi), but those were runs and play action to change tendency.

Ryan was just throwing the ball early and when he had heat he is nimble enough to run. That interior pressure that moved Brady wasn't as obvious last night.

Though to be fair, it might be the same pressure but Ryan could just loft a deep floater to Jones and make a play where the Patriots couldn't.

Beyonf Jones, the killer in the second half was all the short five yard throws that went for 9 yards, many of them in the middle of the field. I am not sure Atlanta is the team to play man against.

Haven't rewatched the game yet but it seemed like a lot of zone, in fact in Wilde's report he quoted Willams, who was wondering why they didn't change coverage and bracket Jones. Williams said Jones was just finding the soft spots in the zone.

[pbmax]

If it was mainly zone then it took a step backward from the rest of the season. Lots of false steps and people out of position or late. I saw a lot of trail coverage on Jones, so I thought at least on him they were manned up with a safety over the top.

[wist43]

I was reserving comment until I had a chance to watch the game - listened to it on the radio - but went to play it back today, and the recording fritzed for some reason, so I can't watch it.

Listening to it on the radio, and reading some of the JS comments - it sounds like the bottom line was that dunderdummy simply wouldn't make the necessary adjustment; worse, he wouldn't make any adjustment.

It's not that difficult to adjust from the original gameplan, but dunderdummy has a terrible habit of riding the horse that brung him all the way over the cliff.

Prep for a team like Atlanta should begin with the Ryan-Jones connection. Okay, so dunderdummy thinks he can just run vanilla zones and some man, and that should be good enough; but alas and behold, suppose it's not?? Plan B should be to take that #1 option/threat away, and force Atlanta to beat you in other ways.

Far too often dunderdummy will scratch out a gameplan, and then simply live or die by it - my theory is that the spraypaint he uses on his hair has seeped into his brain, and while he may have a few lucid moments here and there, ala the NE game, most of the time the guy is in a fog.

The NE game, followed by this stinker, is exactly my point about the guy - and has been a point I've been making since the day we hired him, i.e. he has the potential to gameplan and execute an outstanding gameplan which gives his team more than ample opportunity to win; but the Jekyl/Hyde in him, can turn around the next week and vomit a complete mess that will lose you the game.

The guy simply cannot be trusted - week in/week out... regardless of talent available to him, you simply don't know what you're going to get. We have enough talent on this team to win a title - the biggest question mark surrounding this team and our chances?? Is Dunderdummy.

[3irty1]

I was reserving comment until I had a chance to watch the game - listened to it on the radio - but went to play it back today, and the recording fritzed for some reason, so I can't watch it.

Listening to it on the radio, and reading some of the JS comments - it sounds like the bottom line was that dunderdummy simply wouldn't make the necessary adjustment; worse, he wouldn't make any adjustment.

It's not that difficult to adjust from the original gameplan, but dunderdummy has a terrible habit of riding the horse that brung him all the way over the cliff.

Prep for a team like Atlanta should begin with the Ryan-Jones connection. Okay, so dunderdummy thinks he can just run vanilla zones and some man, and that should be good enough; but alas and behold, suppose it's not?? Plan B should be to take that #1 option/threat away, and force Atlanta to beat you in other ways.

Far too often dunderdummy will scratch out a gameplan, and then simply live or die by it - my theory is that the spraypaint he uses on his hair has seeped into his brain, and while he may have a few lucid moments here and there, ala the NE game, most of the time the guy is in a fog.

The NE game, followed by this stinker, is exactly my point about the guy - and has been a point I've been making since the day we hired him, i.e. he has the potential to gameplan and execute an outstanding gameplan which gives his team more than ample opportunity to win; but the Jekyl/Hyde in him, can turn around the next week and vomit a complete mess that will lose you the game.

The guy simply cannot be trusted - week in/week out... regardless of talent available to him, you simply don't know what you're going to get. We have enough talent on this team to win a title - the biggest question mark surrounding this team and our chances?? Is Dunderdummy.

The interesting thing about this stinker is rather than sitting in a pass defense and hemorrhaging rushing yards it was the other way around. We sat mostly in run defense formations with zone behind it against a team with an old RB and no tight ends. What I think is revealing was that our idea of an adjustment wasn't to the game plan, at least from what I saw, it was to replace Sam Shields with House. That did help a little but I think that says something about Capers that the game plan depends on our secondary hanging with Julio Jones one on one all night. After what he did last week it I'd think there'd be a plan B.

The passrush wasn't great and the announcers mentioned that but I honestly don't think they were the problem. Some of it was perfect execution that was contested, a lot of had to do with them taking desperation mode risks, but a lot of it was quick passes to wide open Julio.