WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF DOM CAPERS

[George Cumby]

5-7-9!!!!!!!!!

[wist43]

And that is an example that he arranges his game plan according to the opponent, not the personality faults you detect in him. Nor is it decided because he does not believe in protecting the middle of the field or covering anybody. Which is what we have been arguing with you all along.

CK running was more of a problem that the passing, but much of the Packer pass rush was on the bench plus the injured Shields.

But as for your argument that no one hopes for excellence, regardless of the reason Capers did it, the Defense didn't let the team down, even when grievously injured.

He didn't run hardly any 3-4 in 2013 - the whole year!! And made some ludicrous comment about preferring to bleed to death instead of giving up big plays.

He did run the 3-4 against the niners in the playoff game last year, and as I said, that is what kept us in the game. Kapernik did hit us for 7 rushes, 98 yds - I was thinking of the game in which he threw for 400+... the 3-4 held Gore in check for 20 rushes, 66 yds. Kapernik threw for 227, 1 TD, 1 INT.

Except for Kapernick breaking loose for 98 yds, the 3-4 held SF down and kept us in the game.

The list of sins is well documented - need I trot them out as evidence, or a reminder to those of you with such short memories yet again??

If dunderdummy was tailoring his defense for each opponent, then he was doing a piss-poor job of it, was he not?? One of the worst run defenses was an ongoing problem, even running into this year when he finally did make some actual changes; embarrassing playoff defeats - almost entirely the fault of Capers and the defense; etc, etc...

The results he's been giving us have been worse than abysmal, why you guys try to continue to defend that is beyond me.

Now, after years of wife-beating, he brings home some flowers and you guys say, '... see, he really is a good guy'.

[wist43]

The first instance of the 3-3 Bear front that got you excited was the Eagles game which was after the bye.

I have seen no notice that it reappeared in the Patriots game. And it goes without saying that the 3-3 you advocated is not the 3-3 he ran during the Eagles game. He still removed a DL, got smaller in nickel, and used an OLB at DT.

We're looking at the same picture and seeing completely different things... you talk about "bigger" and think that necessitates the jumbo nickel with Pickett and Raji.

Whereas I want to get "bigger" by having 3 down linemen on the LOS and take out one of the ILB's. You have 4 guys in the box between the tackles, whereas in an either or, I'd likely have 5, i.e. 3 down linemen, whoever was playing ILB (Matthews or Neal would be my preference), and whoever was roaming - again again Matthews/Neal.

If it is an either/or, in a 3-3, you can move one of those LB's outside... which is the alignment you posted of the Eagles game - which of course you are going to stubbornly go to your grave saying is a 2-4, lol...

[wist43]

Capers matches offensive personnel more than down and distance. Against teams that run a lot of 2 TE sets, like the Patriots and SF, Capers will match 3-4. As 90% of the league has moved towards a 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE "base" personnel, Capers has countered with the 2-4 with Peppers/Perry on the edge.

Ya I know it bugs the shit out of you when he plays those defenses in 3rd and short situations, but he is doing it to match personnel. Teams run 1-3-1 or 1-4 sets on third and short all the time. I'm of the opinion that if he were to trot out a 3-4 in those situations we would get burned deep often.

Nobody abandons the LOS like Capers... I've never seen a single other team abandon the LOS like he does, never once. 3rd and 1, and he's got 2 guys on the LOS?? 1st and goal from the 1, same thing?? What's wrong with that picture??

As I've said, if I were an offensive coordinator I'd do exactly what you just said, and I've said this many times - I'd just trot 3 wides out there all the time, and run it down Dom's throat - which is what happened pretty much from 2011-2013.

The biggest change that we've seen this year is that he is not completely abandoning the LOS, and he is matching up against 3 wides with base personnel; either in the 3-4 or in the Elephant - which as I've said I consider to be a 3-4, whereas Max calls it sushi.

The other thing he's been doing is getting Hawk and Brad Jones off the field - which I have been the lead cheerleader here forever. I suggested that Matthews should be moved inside and you guys reacted like Linda Blair being hit with Holy Water!!!

Now we're seeing those things on the field, and you guys are saying I never said any such things... but trying to find minutia to attack general statements I may have made; and general statements to attack specifics I may have cited. Those tactics are not made of argument, but rather they are intellectually dishonest personal attacks - I think you guys might be puppets for James Carville, lol...

[Bretsky]

Nice entertainment after the dominator frustrated him

http://uproxx.com/sports/2014/12/video-the-tom-brady-taylor-swift-remix/

[mraynrand]

I suggested that Matthews should be moved inside and you guys reacted like Linda Blair being hit with Holy Water!!!

Several of us suggested this, as early as last season, but due to injuries, they haven't had the LB horses to do it

[George Cumby]

Several of us suggested this, as early as last season, but due to injuries, they haven't had the LB horses to do it

I'm just glad they FINALLY took our advice!

[woodbuck27]

I'm just glad they FINALLY took our advice!

Ohh Yea !

[mraynrand]

I'm just glad they FINALLY took our advice!

I kept calling and calling and following Stubby around Green Bay to tell them our ideas - until the restraining order, that is.

[George Cumby]

I kept calling and calling and following Stubby around Green Bay to tell them our ideas - until the restraining order, that is.

Judges and cops are SO up tight. They just don't understand a fan's PASSION!

[texaspackerbacker]

This shouldn't even be controversial. Capers is making a defense with sub-par talent into a marginally decent, sometimes good defense with his scheming. As was said, having the world's greatest QB masks a lot of the problems on D, but the fault - to the extent there is a fault on the NFL's best team - is with Ted Thompson not providing more good players on the D. For years - make that decades, the Packers had D Coordinators who played plain vanilla, totally uncreative defense. In the Lombardi era, we didn't need to do any more than just line up and outplay opponents (even then, though, there was a lot of bend,don't break). In the decades since then, we have NOT had that dominant personnel - and consequently, we've had consistently bad defense - until Capers came along and used schemes and creativity to at least make the D decent. He is EXACTLY what a Ted Thompson GMed team needs as a D Coordinator.

Note: voting for Dom as a Dominator does NOT equate to voting that the defense is dominant.

[Fritz]

This shouldn't even be controversial. Capers is making a defense with sub-par talent into a marginally decent, sometimes good defense with his scheming. As was said, having the world's greatest QB masks a lot of the problems on D, but the fault - to the extent there is a fault on the NFL's best team - is with Ted Thompson not providing more good players on the D. For years - make that decades, the Packers had D Coordinators who played plain vanilla, totally uncreative defense. In the Lombardi era, we didn't need to do any more than just line up and outplay opponents (even then, though, there was a lot of bend,don't break). In the decades since then, we have NOT had that dominant personnel - and consequently, we've had consistently bad defense - until Capers came along and used schemes and creativity to at least make the D decent. He is EXACTLY what a Ted Thompson GMed team needs as a D Coordinator.

Note: voting for Dom as a Dominator does NOT equate to voting that the defense is dominant.

Tex, While I often do not agree with your views, and in this case don't agree that Capers and Thompson are a good fit, I also appreciate your breath-of-fresh-air optimism and appreciation for this team. I myself try to appreciate what has been accomplished, but I also don't think this team has a Super Bowl defense. So even though I don't often agree with you, I do enjoy your posts.

[3irty1]

Yeah I don't agree that Dom and Ted are a perfect fit. Ted operates with the only decent philosophy for today's NFL. You live and die by the draft and fish for bargains in FA. All that youth and inexperience is an issue for any coach but it seems especially tough for Dom's schemes.

Anyways I agree that Dom has always been more competent than the roster he coaches. Even all this fancy new shit isn't new, he did it all in Miami when he had the pieces to pull it off and we'd have seen it sooner if we had the pieces here. Its also impossible to give an honest evaluation of Dom or Ted without acknowledging their shitty luck with injuries. Dom's had way more than his fair share since being here so you'd have to be truly delusional to be surprised at the improvements when the law of averages kicks in and gives us one of the healthiest teams in the NFL. And really they still aren't all that great. Clay at ILB isn't a genius move by Dom, its a failure by TT. For the price of Clay you could easily buy two stud ILB's who are better and more experienced at the position. Its probably what's best for the team in the short term but its far from ideal.

Beneath all the hyperbole, personal incredulity, confirmation bias, childlike misunderstandings of correlation, and anecdotal evidence about Dom around here there is some truth. A handful of times a season we've seen our opponent come out with running personnel in a running situation and the Packers respond with a nickel or dime defense, gifting the offense the play it appeared to want to run in the first place. On the spectrum of fans from normal to wist the reaction to this can range from frustrating to literally maddening. At the end of the day I know that if I were to punch Dom in the face, take his headset, and call the game myself we'd lose by 70. I know that firing Dom is only a good move if you can hire somebody better. I also know that Bretsky deserves credit for this piece of threadbait. Why stir the pot when you can throw chum in the water and have the sharks do it for you?

[Joemailman]

Tex, While I often do not agree with your views, and in this case don't agree that Capers and Thompson are a good fit, I also appreciate your breath-of-fresh-air optimism and appreciation for this team. I myself try to appreciate what has been accomplished, but I also don't think this team has a Super Bowl defense. So even though I don't often agree with you, I do enjoy your posts.

Maybe the Packers do have a Super Bowl defense. Through the New Orleans game they certainly did not. However, over the last 4 weeks the Packers have held some very good offenses below their season averages:

Held Chicago to 14. They average 22.
Held Philadelphia to 20. They average 31.
Held Minnesota to 21. They average 19.
Held New England to 21 They average 32.

Only against Minnesota did they underperform, and that was because they went prevent after taking an 11 point lead. I think any defense that can hold New England and Philadelphia to those kind of numbers gives its team a chance to win any game.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tex, While I often do not agree with your views, and in this case don't agree that Capers and Thompson are a good fit, I also appreciate your breath-of-fresh-air optimism and appreciation for this team. I myself try to appreciate what has been accomplished, but I also don't think this team has a Super Bowl defense. So even though I don't often agree with you, I do enjoy your posts.

Arguably we didn't have a Super Bowl defense the last time we went to the Super Bowl, or the 15-1 season that followed either. In case I didn't make myself clear, saying Capers is EXACTLY what we need with Thompson as GM was a slap at Thompson. Capers is all about compensation for lack of talent using schemes, and few if any do a better job of that.